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STUDY: Bees count better than They Said they Did
Topic Started: Jun 12 2018, 03:47 AM (105 Views)
Klaus
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HOLY CARP!!!
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/07/617863467/math-bee-honeybees-seem-to-understand-the-notion-of-zero

The full "Nature" paper is here (maybe pay-walled at your place):
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6393/1124.full

Fascinating!
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George K
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Thanks for finding that (and yeah, it's behind a paywall) story at NPR. It's a better explanation of what they found, and how, than the story I saw earlier:

https://interestingengineering.com/honey-bees-grasp-the-concept-of-zero-finds-study
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Mikhailoh
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Interesting. The more we research, the less we appear so very unique among the other animals.
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Klaus
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One thing I wondered about the study:

How do they know that the bees actually count? It could be, for instance, that they merely react on the amount of light reflected by the card, i.e., they fly to the brightest card (assuming that the background is white). Then they wouldn't need to grasp anything about numbers, including zero.
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Mikhailoh
Jun 12 2018, 04:04 AM
Interesting. The more we research, the less we appear so very unique among the other animals.
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Thanks for that Klaus and George.

Really interesting.
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Klaus
Jun 12 2018, 04:05 AM
One thing I wondered about the study:

How do they know that the bees actually count? It could be, for instance, that they merely react on the amount of light reflected by the card, i.e., they fly to the brightest card (assuming that the background is white). Then they wouldn't need to grasp anything about numbers, including zero.
Interesting study and interesting thought. Perhaps they kept the reflective area constant? Canít access the paper from here. Guess they could still be focusing on the size of the dark area in that case.
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