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Piano shopping...
Topic Started: Jun 8 2018, 08:40 PM (507 Views)
Davis
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Horace
Jun 10 2018, 02:41 PM
Davis
Jun 10 2018, 01:08 PM
The walls have ears.
Are/were you in the piano biz too, Davis?
Not at all. Never have.
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Jolly
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Piano of the week...

http://www.cunninghampiano.com/piano-of-the-week-bosendorfer-model-130-grand-upright-piano/
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jon-nyc
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I don't even want to know what the Bosendorfer upright is going for these days.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Horace
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"Buuzzendorfer". When I was at Kassman's place he pronounced all the makers differently than I thought they were pronounced. Sauter was "Zauter". Bechstein was Bechshtine.

Anyway, from everything I've learned, Bosendorfers are complete junk, especially their grands. Significantly inferior to Schulze Pollmann uprights.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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In all seriousness...I drove 5 hours to see this piano:

http://www.cunninghampiano.com/cunningham-parlour-grand-510/

Ultimately, we did not buy one. The wife simply found it a little too heavy for her and tone-wise, just a bit dark. But...It does represent some of the best of what can be done with a Chinese piano, when you team up with a good maker (Hailun), use a custom scale, plate and hammers, then go through the thing sideways once you get it over here. The thickness of rim and cast plate, plus the quality of the woodwork are good at this pricepoint. The piano punches above its weight.

If you were on the East Coast rather than the West, I'd tell you to drop by and try one of these. No, they are not a Bosie, but they are very good for what they are.
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jon-nyc
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You're not being good, Horace!
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Jolly
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Horace
Jun 12 2018, 07:20 AM
"Buuzzendorfer". When I was at Kassman's place he pronounced all the makers differently than I thought they were pronounced. Sauter was "Zauter". Bechstein was Bechshtine.

Anyway, from everything I've learned, Bosendorfers are complete junk, especially their grands. Significantly inferior to Schulze Pollmann uprights.
Are his SP's Italian or Chinese?
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Horace
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Italian, if one can take a seller's word for these things. I think maybe their studio uprights are partially made in China.
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Jolly
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Horace
Jun 12 2018, 07:27 AM
Italian, if one can take a seller's word for these things. I think maybe their studio uprights are partially made in China.
They've always been known for top notch cabinet work.
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Jolly
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I'd do some more looking and comparison shopping, just to get a better feel.

Since you are out on the Left Coast, would one of these be interesting?

http://www.fandrich.com/index.php?&location=pianos&action=view&index=115
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Horace
Jun 12 2018, 07:20 AM
"Buuzzendorfer". When I was at Kassman's place he pronounced all the makers differently than I thought they were pronounced. Sauter was "Zauter". Bechstein was Bechshtine.

Anyway, from everything I've learned, Bosendorfers are complete junk, especially their grands. Significantly inferior to Schulze Pollmann uprights.
When I hear a piano salesman pronouncing those names like that I know right away that I'm in a dealership full on pretentious pricks. And DAMN do I hate pretentious pricks.

When I hear a piano salesman trash talk the brands the doesn't sell and then make stupid comments like "Bosendorfer is inferior to Schulze Pollmann", I know I'm dealing with an unprofessional sales weasel who will say anything to get your money, anything except the truth, that is.

My advice: don't do business with such a slimeball.

It's dealers like that that made me come to despise the piano business.
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+1. What a ridiculous statement.

Mee? Still partial to Bechsteins. Beautiful, romantic sound. built more for the home than the concert hall.
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Jun 12 2018, 07:37 AM
stupid comments like "Bosendorfer is inferior to Schulze Pollmann", I know I'm dealing with an unprofessional sales weasel

I think you are dealing with Horace's sense of humor.

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Schulze Pollmann uprights are built in China, then shipped to Italy where the cabinets are added. Their grands are built in italy.

I was a dealer for that brand when the uprights were entirely Italian made. The were well built, the materials used were top notch. They were very good pianos. But to compare them to a Bosendorfer or a Bechstein would have been like comparing a Toyota to a Bentley. The Chinese built ones are probably just like any other Chinese piano, only with prettier cabinetry.

To get rid of a Bohemia and replace it with a Schulze Pollmann... the idea of that makes me want to cry. Any salesman who would try to talk you into that ought to be taken around behind the store and get his ass kicked up through his mouth.
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Jun 12 2018, 07:46 AM
+1. What a ridiculous statement.

Mee? Still partial to Bechsteins. Beautiful, romantic sound. built more for the home than the concert hall.
Are you referring to their uprights? Because when referring to grands, Bechstein is the preimminent concert piano, Bosendorfer is better for chamber music or smaller rooms.
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Jolly
Jun 12 2018, 07:13 AM
I've played a couple of those. They are excellent pianos, but in my opinion the Bechstein Concert 8 is the best upright piano on this planet.
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Larry
Jun 12 2018, 08:00 AM
Mikhailoh
Jun 12 2018, 07:46 AM
+1. What a ridiculous statement.

Mee? Still partial to Bechsteins. Beautiful, romantic sound. built more for the home than the concert hall.
Are you referring to their uprights? Because when referring to grands, Bechstein is the preimminent concert piano, Bosendorfer is better for chamber music or smaller rooms.
Have you tried the new "Vienna Concert" line from Bösendorfer? I think the "Bösendorfer is for chamber music" thing one hears so often does not really apply anymore.
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Larry
Jun 12 2018, 08:00 AM
Mikhailoh
Jun 12 2018, 07:46 AM
+1. What a ridiculous statement.

Mee? Still partial to Bechsteins. Beautiful, romantic sound. built more for the home than the concert hall.
Are you referring to their uprights? Because when referring to grands, Bechstein is the preimminent concert piano, Bosendorfer is better for chamber music or smaller rooms.
Grands. I found them otherwise...a very mellow, warm tone, not built for cutting through an orchestra.
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Now that's strange... lol
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Larry
Jun 12 2018, 07:56 AM
To get rid of a Bohemia and replace it with a Schulze Pollmann... the idea of that makes me want to cry.
Well, you've never heard my Bohemia. I loved the one in the showroom but the one out of the box was not good and could not be saved by the technician. I ended up practicing mostly on my yamaha digital.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Jun 12 2018, 08:06 AM
Larry
Jun 12 2018, 08:00 AM
Mikhailoh
Jun 12 2018, 07:46 AM
+1. What a ridiculous statement.

Mee? Still partial to Bechsteins. Beautiful, romantic sound. built more for the home than the concert hall.
Are you referring to their uprights? Because when referring to grands, Bechstein is the preimminent concert piano, Bosendorfer is better for chamber music or smaller rooms.
Have you tried the new "Vienna Concert" line from Bösendorfer? I think the "Bösendorfer is for chamber music" thing one hears so often does not really apply anymore.
I have not tried one. But I googled them and read a bit on them. The Vienna Concert series still use the same rim design as always - and it's their rim design that limits projection but makes them "sing" in smaller settings.

So I could be wrong... But after reading the corporate marketing story on them, my guess is the pianos are the same as always, just voiced brighter, and the sales pitch is an attempt to get around the chamber music necktie they've had to wear for so long. I just do not see them being able to make that rim project more when it is not designed for projecting.
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Horace
Jun 12 2018, 08:13 AM
Larry
Jun 12 2018, 07:56 AM
To get rid of a Bohemia and replace it with a Schulze Pollmann... the idea of that makes me want to cry.
Well, you've never heard my Bohemia. I loved the one in the showroom but the one out of the box was not good and could not be saved by the technician. I ended up practicing mostly on my yamaha digital.
Send it to me. I will make it sound as sweet as honey.
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You realized your first mistake was buying piano out of a box. My brother describes such a thing as finding the car of one's dreams - and then buy the one next to it. And while I've not dealt with as many technicians as some folks here, they are not all the same. And even some with "reputations" aren't what they're cracked up to be. A technician who knows what he's (very few she's) doing, should be able to make that piano into a very decent instrument.
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