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Big Brother in China
Topic Started: Apr 26 2018, 05:44 AM (258 Views)
George K
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/04/24/china-assigns-every-citizen-a-social-credit-score-to-identify-who-is-and-isnt-trustworthy/

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China is rolling out a high-tech plan to give all of its 1.4 billion citizens a personal score, based on how they behave.

But there are consequences if a score gets too low, and for some that’s cause for concern, CBS2’s Ben Tracy reported Tuesday.

When Liu Hu recently tried to book a flight, he was told he was banned from flying because he was on the list of untrustworthy people. Liu is a journalist who was ordered by a court to apologize for a series of tweets he wrote and was then told his apology was insincere.

“I can’t buy property. My child can’t go to a private school,” he said. “You feel you’re being controlled by the list all the time.”

And the list is now getting longer as every Chinese citizen is being assigned a social credit score — a fluctuating rating based on a range of behaviors. It’s believed that community service and buying Chinese-made products can raise your score. Fraud, tax evasion and smoking in non-smoking areas can drop it.

China’s growing network of surveillance cameras makes all of this possible.

“It can recognize more than 4,000 vehicles,” Xu Li said.

Li is the CEO of Sensetime, one of China’s most successful artificial intelligence companies. It has created smart cameras for the government that can help catch criminals, but also track average citizens.

“We can tell whether it is an adult, a child, male or female,” Li said.

Ken Dewoskin has studied China’s economic and political culture for more than three decades. He says how the new scoring system truly works is kept secret and could be easily abused by the government.

Tracy: “How far into people’s daily mundane activities does this go?”

Dewoskin: “Well, I think that the government and the people running the plan would like it to go as deeply as possible to determine how to allocate benefits and also how to impact and shape their behavior.”

The fear, of course, it that the government may use this social credit scoring system to punish people that it deems not sufficiently loyal to the communist party, Tracy reported. And trying to clear your name or fight your score is nearly impossible, because there’s no due process.
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Seems far fetched even for mainland China ... would wait for collaboration from other credible sources.

On pop culture front, this also reminds me of an Orville episode titled “Majority Rules.”
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Axtremus
Apr 26 2018, 05:56 AM
Seems far fetched even for mainland China ... would wait for collaboration from other credible sources.

On pop culture front, this also reminds me of an Orville episode titled “Majority Rules.”
More like Black Mirror.
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Axtremus
Apr 26 2018, 05:56 AM
other credible sources
The BBC in 2015: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186

Wired in 2017: https://www.wired.com/story/age-of-social-credit/

CNET this week: https://www.cnet.com/news/china-turns-to-tech-to-monitor-shame-and-rate-citizens/

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

The link was from CBS - do you find them not credible?

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Sounds like a scheme to extremely vet potential mass murderers.

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George K
Apr 26 2018, 06:18 AM
Axtremus
Apr 26 2018, 05:56 AM
other credible sources
The BBC in 2015: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186

Wired in 2017: https://www.wired.com/story/age-of-social-credit/

CNET this week: https://www.cnet.com/news/china-turns-to-tech-to-monitor-shame-and-rate-citizens/

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

The link was from CBS - do you find them not credible?

Thanks, did not see the links provided by CBS because I did not click into the CBS page, just read what you quoted.

While there is such a thing as "reputation" in societies, big data driven quantification of such is a new frontier. And the state-sponsored aspect of it is worrisome.
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Axtremus
Apr 26 2018, 05:56 AM
On pop culture front, this also reminds me of an Orville episode titled “Majority Rules.”
Yes. it does.
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I have heard about this before, and it is kind of scary. Probably in one of the links, but I have hear that part of the score is who you are your friends. So, if you have many friends that have low scores, this will cause your score to go down. So, to avoid this, you stop being friends with them (on Facebook, WeChat, Weibo, etc.). This could cause the people with lower scores to be more isolated.
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Apr 26 2018, 01:33 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 01:41 PM
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Apr 26 2018, 01:33 PM
Jon, I love you man, but you are out of the forum.
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Apr 26 2018, 10:06 AM
I have heard about this before, and it is kind of scary. Probably in one of the links, but I have hear that part of the score is who you are your friends. So, if you have many friends that have low scores, this will cause your score to go down. So, to avoid this, you stop being friends with them (on Facebook, WeChat, Weibo, etc.). This could cause the people with lower scores to be more isolated.
Yes, I read about this several years ago.
It would be easy to do it here as well, if it were to be allowed to happen.

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taiwan_girl
Apr 26 2018, 10:06 AM
I have heard about this before, and it is kind of scary. Probably in one of the links, but I have hear that part of the score is who you are your friends. So, if you have many friends that have low scores, this will cause your score to go down. So, to avoid this, you stop being friends with them (on Facebook, WeChat, Weibo, etc.). This could cause the people with lower scores to be more isolated.

That kind of sounds like the MeowMeowBeenz episode in Community.

Funny on TV but scary when it's real life.

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New professions cropping up soon. Credit repair, credit optimization, credit contesting, credit guru, credit harmony, living with credit, life after credit.

Buy this and improve your credit, zip codes, schools, dating sites etc with the best credit. How will this impact my credit will be what people think about every three seconds go forward.

The ultimate vacation will be credit lowering places where your credit won’t be impacted.
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Depends on whether the credit fixing/enhancement/optimization industry can convince the power that be that the retentive of such services would not itself be a demerit in the credit assessment system.
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