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Has Hogg been outed?
Topic Started: Apr 25 2018, 04:15 AM (462 Views)
Jolly
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The rumor is that they are going to the prom together. Again, just an internet rumor.

I dunno, maybe explains some of his latent anger?

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So what?
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Apr 25 2018, 07:36 AM
So what?
I think that explains some of his anger and striking out is not just due to what happened at his school (he was not there that day), but also due to his sexual orientation. I find many young gays, particularly the boys, to be incredibly mad at the world.
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Apr 25 2018, 08:08 AM
taiwan_girl
Apr 25 2018, 07:36 AM
So what?
I think that explains some of his anger and striking out is not just due to what happened at his school (he was not there that day) , but also due to his sexual orientation. I find many young gays, particularly the boys, to be incredibly mad at the world.



Fake news, retracted by the person who started it.

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Q: Was David Hogg at home during the February school shooting in Florida?

A: No. Hogg recorded videos from inside the school during the shooting and a teacher confirmed that he was there at the time.
FULL QUESTION

Is this real???

David Hogg Changes Story, Wasn’t At School When Cruz Opened Fire

FULL ANSWER

Several weeks after 17 people were killed in a Feb. 14 school shooting in Parkland, Florida, a number of student-survivors have continued to draw national attention as they advocate for gun control laws.

What’s also persisted: the flow of fabricated claims about those students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

One of the latest rumors — circulated in at least a dozen stories flagged as potentially false by Facebook users — claims that David Hogg, a senior named in previous false stories, was not actually at the high school during the shooting.

Those stories are indeed false.

The allegations are based on an out-of-context quote from Hogg. In a CBS News documentary, the 17-year-old said: “On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting.”

With a glaring spelling error in its headline, the website julyfourthnews.com declared on March 28: “David Hogg Unintentially Reveals He Was Not At School When Parkland Shooting Happened.”

“SHOCK: David Hogg Changes Story, Wasn’t At School When Cruz Opened Fire,” reads bigleaguepolitics.com’s March 26 headline.

But at no point did Hogg ever say that in the CBS News documentary, “39 Days,” or elsewhere.

Interviews and videos published in the days after the shooting support Hogg’s narrative that he was at the school when the shooter opened fire and that Hogg went home at some point and returned to the scene later that night.

In fact, Hogg, a student journalist and member of the school’s news show, recorded interviews with his peers inside the school as it remained locked down. The Miami Herald published that footage Feb. 15, which shows Hogg asking his fellow students about their views on gun control.

Time also published a video on Feb. 15 that was recorded by Hogg during the lockdown. In it, Hogg says “it’s 2:52” and that he “heard one gunshot.” (The shooting reportedly occurred from 2:21 p.m. to 2:28 p.m., and the lockdown was lifted at 3:36 p.m.)

“Once we were all in the room and we started seeing the headlines, we realized this was anything but a drill — this was life or death,” Hogg said in a MSNBC interview the day after the shooting. “And that actually was when I started recording. Because I realized that if I died, and if everyone else around me died, I wanted to have our voices heard.”

Hogg told MSNBC and Time magazine that he was in an AP environmental science class when the attack occurred.

Time reported that Hogg and other students tried to exit the building after a fire alarm went off, but a janitor sent them back. “A culinary arts teacher, Ashley Kurth, pulled Hogg and others inside [a classroom], locked the door, and made them hide in a closet,” Time wrote.

Kurth confirmed that account weeks later in a March 30 report by the Associated Press.

“I physically grabbed David by the arm and pulled him into my room,” Kurth said. “It is extremely frustrating the kind of information that is being put out there.”

In an interview with Vox that was published Feb. 20, Hogg said he rode his bike back to the school at 6 p.m. that night with his camera to do more filming. He was interviewed that night by Fox News.

At least some who shared the fictitious claims later realized as much.

A writer for the conservative blog RedState, who reported that the CBS video “is casting doubt” on Hogg’s whereabouts during the shooting, retracted her March 26 story and issued a tweet-thread apology. The story’s original headline was changed to read: “UPDATE: CBS Video Confusing. Hogg Was On Campus.”


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/david-hogg-at-school-during-parkland-shooting/

I see no latent anger, just determination.

Another factoid:

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Hogg states that he is a supporter of the Second Amendment and supports NRA members' right to own guns legally, saying, "We’re calling out the NRA a lot and 99.9 percent of the people that are in the NRA are responsible, safe gun owners and I respect them for that, joining an organization that wants to support safe gun ownership is excellent.”[35]

In an interview with Fox News, Hogg said he was for reasonable gun control such as regulations that prohibit those suffering from mental illnesses from acquiring guns.[11] Asked what new legislation he wants to see, Hogg replied: "Raising the federal age of gun ownership and possession to the age of 21; banning all bump stocks; making sure that we have universal background checks; making sure that people that have committed acts of domestic violence are no longer able to get a gun, which in Florida, it's harder, it's just not impossible, fully, yet; and making sure that people with a criminal history and a history of mental illness are not able to obtain these weapons of mass destruction."[36]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hogg_(activist)
Edited by John Galt, Apr 25 2018, 09:36 AM.
Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness.
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John Galt
Apr 25 2018, 09:21 AM
Jolly
Apr 25 2018, 08:08 AM
taiwan_girl
Apr 25 2018, 07:36 AM
So what?
I think that explains some of his anger and striking out is not just due to what happened at his school (he was not there that day) , but also due to his sexual orientation. I find many young gays, particularly the boys, to be incredibly mad at the world.



Fake news, retracted by the person who started it.

Quote:
 
Q: Was David Hogg at home during the February school shooting in Florida?

A: No. Hogg recorded videos from inside the school during the shooting and a teacher confirmed that he was there at the time.
FULL QUESTION

Is this real???

David Hogg Changes Story, Wasn’t At School When Cruz Opened Fire

FULL ANSWER

Several weeks after 17 people were killed in a Feb. 14 school shooting in Parkland, Florida, a number of student-survivors have continued to draw national attention as they advocate for gun control laws.

What’s also persisted: the flow of fabricated claims about those students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

One of the latest rumors — circulated in at least a dozen stories flagged as potentially false by Facebook users — claims that David Hogg, a senior named in previous false stories, was not actually at the high school during the shooting.

Those stories are indeed false.

The allegations are based on an out-of-context quote from Hogg. In a CBS News documentary, the 17-year-old said: “On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting.”

With a glaring spelling error in its headline, the website julyfourthnews.com declared on March 28: “David Hogg Unintentially Reveals He Was Not At School When Parkland Shooting Happened.”

“SHOCK: David Hogg Changes Story, Wasn’t At School When Cruz Opened Fire,” reads bigleaguepolitics.com’s March 26 headline.

But at no point did Hogg ever say that in the CBS News documentary, “39 Days,” or elsewhere.

Interviews and videos published in the days after the shooting support Hogg’s narrative that he was at the school when the shooter opened fire and that Hogg went home at some point and returned to the scene later that night.

In fact, Hogg, a student journalist and member of the school’s news show, recorded interviews with his peers inside the school as it remained locked down. The Miami Herald published that footage Feb. 15, which shows Hogg asking his fellow students about their views on gun control.

Time also published a video on Feb. 15 that was recorded by Hogg during the lockdown. In it, Hogg says “it’s 2:52” and that he “heard one gunshot.” (The shooting reportedly occurred from 2:21 p.m. to 2:28 p.m., and the lockdown was lifted at 3:36 p.m.)

“Once we were all in the room and we started seeing the headlines, we realized this was anything but a drill — this was life or death,” Hogg said in a MSNBC interview the day after the shooting. “And that actually was when I started recording. Because I realized that if I died, and if everyone else around me died, I wanted to have our voices heard.”

Hogg told MSNBC and Time magazine that he was in an AP environmental science class when the attack occurred.

Time reported that Hogg and other students tried to exit the building after a fire alarm went off, but a janitor sent them back. “A culinary arts teacher, Ashley Kurth, pulled Hogg and others inside [a classroom], locked the door, and made them hide in a closet,” Time wrote.

Kurth confirmed that account weeks later in a March 30 report by the Associated Press.

“I physically grabbed David by the arm and pulled him into my room,” Kurth said. “It is extremely frustrating the kind of information that is being put out there.”

In an interview with Vox that was published Feb. 20, Hogg said he rode his bike back to the school at 6 p.m. that night with his camera to do more filming. He was interviewed that night by Fox News.

At least some who shared the fictitious claims later realized as much.

A writer for the conservative blog RedState, who reported that the CBS video “is casting doubt” on Hogg’s whereabouts during the shooting, retracted her March 26 story and issued a tweet-thread apology. The story’s original headline was changed to read: “UPDATE: CBS Video Confusing. Hogg Was On Campus.”


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/david-hogg-at-school-during-parkland-shooting/

I see no latent anger, just determination.

Another factoid:

Quote:
 
Hogg states that he is a supporter of the Second Amendment and supports NRA members' right to own guns legally, saying, "We’re calling out the NRA a lot and 99.9 percent of the people that are in the NRA are responsible, safe gun owners and I respect them for that, joining an organization that wants to support safe gun ownership is excellent.”[35]

In an interview with Fox News, Hogg said he was for reasonable gun control such as regulations that prohibit those suffering from mental illnesses from acquiring guns.[11] Asked what new legislation he wants to see, Hogg replied: "Raising the federal age of gun ownership and possession to the age of 21; banning all bump stocks; making sure that we have universal background checks; making sure that people that have committed acts of domestic violence are no longer able to get a gun, which in Florida, it's harder, it's just not impossible, fully, yet; and making sure that people with a criminal history and a history of mental illness are not able to obtain these weapons of mass destruction."[36]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hogg_(activist)
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Now that we've had our fun cutting and pasting...

A. Is the boy queer?
B. If so, has that effected his message?
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Now that we've had our fun cutting and pasting...


You never say that to George (we have similar posting styles - must be the Lithuanian thing)

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A. Is the boy queer?


Probably, but to quote TG, so what?

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If so, has that effected his message?


I assume you meant "affected his message". I am relatively certain you and I perceive his "message" in very different ways, though.

Who knows? Our life experiences influence who we are. Why would he be any different?

Edited by John Galt, Apr 25 2018, 10:09 AM.
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Jolly
Apr 25 2018, 08:08 AM
I find many young gays, particularly the boys, to be incredibly mad at the world.
Even more so than Trump voters?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Apr 25 2018, 10:41 AM
Jolly
Apr 25 2018, 08:08 AM
I find many young gays, particularly the boys, to be incredibly mad at the world.
Even more so than Trump voters?
Even moreso.
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Apr 25 2018, 09:56 AM
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Now that we've had our fun cutting and pasting...


You never say that to George (we have similar posting styles - must be the Lithuanian thing)

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A. Is the boy queer?


Probably, but to quote TG, so what?

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If so, has that effected his message?


I assume you meant "affected his message". I am relatively certain you and I perceive his "message" in very different ways, though.

Who knows? Our life experiences influence who we are. Why would he be any different?

No, I don't agree with George on some things, but I find him to be open minded , or at the very least, fair. I even find Jon to be open-minded, or at least cognizant of his bias at times.

I think that you are just another dyed-in-the-wool Democrat and if Trump did it, or it goes against the party line, it must be wrong.
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And as for Mr. Hogg...I think he's a Nazi-wannabe, drunk on his ten minutes of fame and being used as a disposable tool by the people who can further their agenda. I probably give more of a damn about what happens to him than his backers do, and I personally do not care if the young man drops through his asshole and breaks his neck.

As for him being gay, he fits the profile. Mad at the world, ready to say or do anything to further his agenda and when he gets part of what he wants is hellbent and determined to never take less than total surrender.

I'd advise him to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and realize that good people can disagree deeply about some things

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Wow.
Yeah, I remember the outrage when Trump raised his hand and the left had a meltdown about the supposed "Nazi salute."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-right-hand-salute_us_56db50d8e4b03a405678e27a

https://www.salon.com/2016/12/09/rise-of-the-nazi-salute-why-donald-trump-supporters-hand-gestures-should-worry_partner/

http://www.businessinsider.com/today-donald-trump-interview-nazi-solute-2016-3

http://people.com/celebrity/donald-trumps-loyalty-pledge-draws-hitler-comparisons/
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John Galt:
You never say that to George (we have similar posting styles - must be the Lithuanian thing)

That explains EVERYTHING!
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Apr 25 2018, 03:27 PM
Wow.
Which part? The one where he is a fascist asshole or the opinion that he fits the mold of the frustrated gay activist?
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Jolly
Apr 25 2018, 11:04 AM
I'd advise him to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and realize that good people can disagree deeply about some things
I hope you do too, and realize that despite Mr. Hogg's disagreement with you, Mr. Hogg may still be a good person.
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Apr 25 2018, 06:08 PM
Jolly
Apr 25 2018, 11:04 AM
I'd advise him to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and realize that good people can disagree deeply about some things
I hope you do too, and realize that despite Mr. Hogg's disagreement with you, Mr. Hogg may still be a good person.
I have sincere doubts.

When considering his rally prancing, his book deal, his call for multiple boycotts for perceived insults and for legitimate business practices, I'd place him squarely in the fascist camp.
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So stupidity gets a pass as long as you're a good person?

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Apr 25 2018, 04:57 PM
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Wow.
Which part? The one where he is a fascist asshole or the opinion that he fits the mold of the frustrated gay activist?
He’s a high school kid who just saw his his friends gunned down in old blood.

Have you no decency?
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Apr 26 2018, 12:15 AM
Jolly
Apr 25 2018, 04:57 PM
Steve Miller
Apr 25 2018, 03:27 PM
Wow.
Which part? The one where he is a fascist asshole or the opinion that he fits the mold of the frustrated gay activist?
He’s a high school kid who just saw his his friends gunned down in old blood.

Have you no decency?
He's an asshole, being used like a ten dollar hooker by the money behind him.

At least he's got his book deal. If he can get it ghost written fast enough, maybe it will pay for his college, since he has now morphed into Ivy League material.

Don't let your crisis go to waste, kid. :thumb:
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I cite irreconcilable differences.
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I don't care whether he's a Peter puffer or not, he's still a spoiled little asshole that has let it all go to his head, and is being used.
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I don't get why Jolly and Larry are so angry towards this boy. How are you so sure that this is not a cause he believes in? As Aqua said, he just saw a few of his friends get killed by shooting.

I know I knew some kids in school that were very passion about something. Maybe you did too. Maybe it was farming, maybe it was hunting, maybe it was fishing. Maybe they even got a small "sponsorship" from a farm company or gun company or fish company (hats, T-shirt, some equipment). They probably talked at school about how great hunting was or fishing was. If there was social media, they probably would have posted about how good it was, everybody should be a farmer or hunter or fisherman. Maybe they even would try to start a club to get more people involved. There wasn't the same social medium, but if there were, I am sure that they would have used it as much as possible.

If he were in favor of having armed guards in school, or allowing teachers to have guns, etc, and that was his passion, would you have the same opinion of him?
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Apr 26 2018, 05:33 AM
When your side is more important than whatever the truth might be it’s a waste of time listening.
I agree.

The Truth has nothing to do with a gun ban, trying to run a tv personality off of the air or even advocating people fvck their retirements up by abandoning one of the lowest cost IRA providers in the business.

The Truth is that crazy people shouldn't have guns.

But it is such an inconvenient Truth, which does not lend itself to the agenda of Hogg's puppetmasters.

As such, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and say he's just passionate, young and ignorant. But not so ignorant he can't already see the dollar signs for his new book:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/26/ignorance-charitable-interpretation-david-hoggs-book-title-never/
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