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Where’s the Waffle House shooter thread?
Topic Started: Apr 23 2018, 11:42 AM (484 Views)
jon-nyc
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Only caught this today. Usually I’m alerted to stories like this here.

Anyway, how cool that someone brought him down?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Jolly
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The worse thing about that shooting is that they had taken his guns away from him.

His dad gave them back.
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jon-nyc
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Wow. Is his dad criminally liable?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Jolly
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jon-nyc
Apr 23 2018, 12:32 PM
Wow. Is his dad criminally liable?
I'm waiting to hear or read something more about why the guns were taken away.

If the Secret Service had some involvement ( the security guys in Washington had to arrest him last year at the White House), I think dad is liable.
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Jolly
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BTW, the cops found and arrested him a couple of hours ago.
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No thread because he was a typical terrorist, white male with an AR15. And he only took out black people.
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John Galt
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Everything I read points to mental illness; his father gave him the guns back and may now be in trouble himself.

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He pointed to Reinking’s arrest outside the White House last year as well as a string of bizarre encounters with law enforcement officials in Illinois. Reinking once told law enforcement officers that the singer Taylor Swift had been harassing and stalking him — a delusion that authorities in Illinois said Reinking had had for years.

Last year, police records show that Reinking went to a local pool in Illinois wearing a pink dress and swam in his underwear while coaxing life guards to fight him. Soon after, he traveled to the nation’s capital and tried to cross a security barrier near the White House, declaring himself a “sovereign citizen” who wanted to speak with President Trump.

After an investigation by the FBI office in Springfield, Ill., state and local officials confiscated Reinking’s guns and revoked his firearm license in August. The weapons were given to Reinking’s father, who agreed to keep them secure and away from Reinking, officials said. But the father later acknowledged giving the weapons back to his son, police said, who had moved to Tennessee.

Under Illinois law, certain confiscated guns can be released to a family member, but Reinking could not lawfully possess the weapons in that state. Matthew E. Espenshade, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI’s Memphis division, on Monday said that “every federal resource was brought to bear” in Reinking’s case after his arrest at the White House and the FBI assessment.

“We were able to effectively neutralize what we felt was the threat at the time by ensuring that he did not have the ability to purchase or own weapons and that those weapons were taken,” Espenshade said Monday. He added: “He was not able to possess or own those weapons.”

Reinking’s father could potentially face charges for returning the guns, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. His father and other relatives could not immediately be reached, and a woman who answered the phone at a number registered to Reinking’s relatives in Illinois said, “We have no comment.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/04/23/waffle-house-shooting-travis-reinking-manhunt-continues-nashville-police-say/?utm_term=.35b831e67b05
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Steve Miller
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Even if the father didn't give him the guns back, is there anything to keep him from buying more guns?
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
One guy who got shot in the leg says he'll be going to IHOP from now on....

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Larry
Apr 23 2018, 01:41 PM
One guy who got shot in the leg says he'll be going to IHOP from now on....

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George K
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Steve Miller
Apr 23 2018, 01:38 PM
Even if the father didn't give him the guns back, is there anything to keep him from buying more guns?
Yes, the law:
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Under Illinois law, certain confiscated guns can be released to a family member, but Reinking could not lawfully possess the weapons in that state.
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George K
Apr 23 2018, 03:07 PM
Steve Miller
Apr 23 2018, 01:38 PM
Even if the father didn't give him the guns back, is there anything to keep him from buying more guns?
Yes, the law:
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Under Illinois law, certain confiscated guns can be released to a family member, but Reinking could not lawfully possess the weapons in that state.
Could he go to a gun show and buy some more guns? Would anyone check?
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Jolly
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Steve Miller
Apr 23 2018, 08:34 PM
George K
Apr 23 2018, 03:07 PM
Steve Miller
Apr 23 2018, 01:38 PM
Even if the father didn't give him the guns back, is there anything to keep him from buying more guns?
Yes, the law:
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Under Illinois law, certain confiscated guns can be released to a family member, but Reinking could not lawfully possess the weapons in that state.
Could he go to a gun show and buy some more guns? Would anyone check?
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions
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Jolly
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Possible charges coming...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/24/waffle-house-shooting-suspects-father-could-face-federal-charges-official-says.html
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Jolly
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More background:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/04/23/if-current-laws-had-been-followed-there-would-have-been-no-waffle-house-shooting/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWkRNME4yVmlZVFUyWVdFNSIsInQiOiI0QTBHeitJeERDUXM5ZXdmQWc
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Just got around to read about the guy, a Mr. James Shaw Jr., who wrestled the shooter's rifle away from the shooter with his bare hands:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/us/waffle-house-hero-james-shaw.html

That's movie-grade heroics right there. Mr. Shaw burned his hand from grabbing the rifle, and a bullet grazed his elbow.

Mr. Shaw has since also helped with fund raising for the victims:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/us/waffle-house-james-shaw-gofundme/index.html


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Horace
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HOLY CARP!!!
As these incidents become more publicized, the ability to respond appropriately will be, too.

Mr Shaw did a reasonable and of course courageous thing. In order to respond in the moment about something, you should at least have a mental model of it. The mass shooters and the media response are giving us all a mental model.

The lack of mental models conserves extremists and conservatives alike. The Columbine kids could have killed so many more of their peers than they actually did. But they actually got sick of it, going through and doing it one by one. Eventually they figured the next one should be themselves rather than someone else.
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Horace
Apr 27 2018, 02:33 PM
As these incidents become more publicized, the ability to respond appropriately will be, too.

Mr Shaw did a reasonable and of course courageous thing. In order to respond in the moment about something, you should at least have a mental model of it. The mass shooters and the media response are giving us all a mental model.

The lack of mental models conserves extremists and conservatives alike. The Columbine kids could have killed so many more of their peers than they actually did. But they actually got sick of it, going through and doing it one by one. Eventually they figured the next one should be themselves rather than someone else.
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