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| So the UK is going to impose the death sentence... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 22 2018, 07:30 PM (1,857 Views) | |
| John Galt | Apr 23 2018, 10:16 AM Post #26 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Update: The Italians are going to bat for Alfie and his family. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43872678 |
| Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness. | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 23 2018, 10:19 AM Post #27 |
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Cheers
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| In my defense, I was left unsupervised. | |
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| Wim | Apr 23 2018, 10:22 AM Post #28 |
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Junior Carp
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I don't have all the background information needed, but I think Italy should not intervene. This is becoming a nasty political situation which is not really going to help Alfie. But then again, I might be wrong... Wim |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 23 2018, 10:59 AM Post #29 |
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Cheers
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It may well be a welcome move to her majesty’s government. It gives them a face-saving way to get out of this mess. |
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| John Galt | Apr 23 2018, 02:55 PM Post #30 |
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Fulla-Carp
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They are not taking advantage of the opportunity. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-alfie-evans-removed-from-ventilation eta: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/high-court-judge-dismisses-latest-14567598 Edited by John Galt, Apr 23 2018, 02:58 PM.
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| jon-nyc | Apr 23 2018, 02:59 PM Post #31 |
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Cheers
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After I posted that I realized it really doesn’t. Saving face requires that they treat this like it is purely a medical decision rather than a political or financial one. |
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| Klaus | Apr 24 2018, 01:11 PM Post #32 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I've seen the update you are about to post, too, George. |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| George K | Apr 24 2018, 01:11 PM Post #33 |
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https://cruxnow.com/church-in-uk-and-ireland/2018/04/24/alfie-evans-surviving-after-life-support-withdrawn-vatican-hospital-ready-to-receive-him/Alfie will eventually, die, in my opinion (and by "eventually", I don't mean in his 60s). I can say that even without the knowledge of Bill Frist. The question is a thorny one: who makes the decision of how, when, and where? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 24 2018, 01:52 PM Post #34 |
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It’s not a thorny question, it’s trivial. The patient or whomever has the legal authority to speak for him. What the state, or the insurance company, is willing to pay for may be thorny. But not the question of who’s call it is. |
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| Luke's Dad | Apr 24 2018, 02:03 PM Post #35 |
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Emperor Pengin
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Isn't Alfie an Italian citizen, as well? |
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| George K | Apr 24 2018, 02:09 PM Post #36 |
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Though it's not what I said, it's what I meant. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Apr 24 2018, 02:11 PM Post #37 |
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Wait... By subscribing to NHS (or whatever service you choose) do you lose legal authority to speak for yourself (or another)? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 24 2018, 02:11 PM Post #38 |
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Kinda figured. |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 24 2018, 02:13 PM Post #39 |
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You can walk away from NHS at any time. There’s a thriving private healthcare market after all. |
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| George K | Apr 24 2018, 02:15 PM Post #40 |
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At what cost? From what I understand, that option doesn't exist in Canada, right? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 24 2018, 02:19 PM Post #41 |
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Cheers
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The opt-out method in Canada is to drive south an hour. From what I understand. |
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| John Galt | Apr 24 2018, 03:52 PM Post #42 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Couple of updates. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/24/alfie-evans-parents-lose-legal-appeal-for-vatican-treatment http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43883865 Edited by John Galt, Apr 24 2018, 03:55 PM.
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| Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Apr 24 2018, 03:57 PM Post #43 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Breathing unaided for 20 hours. All of which points to the now, to me anyway, undeniable truth that the drugs they planned to administer would have done nothing but suppress his breathing and hasten his death, which is clearly not imminent. Some people just need killing, and Alfie isn't one of them. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| George K | Apr 24 2018, 04:02 PM Post #44 |
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Another update... Yeesh....
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Horace | Apr 24 2018, 04:05 PM Post #45 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Purple prose. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| taiwan_girl | Apr 25 2018, 07:07 AM Post #46 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Very sad story. I don't understand why the parents are not allowed to do what they want to do. I know there are cases that are the opposite, where parents do not want to give medical care (for religion reasons) and are told they have to. But in this case, why would they not allow the parents to get additional medical care? What if the parents said that they would pay? It is very difficult question. With advances in medical, there will be more cases where a person can be kept alive. |
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| George K | Apr 25 2018, 02:09 PM Post #47 |
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Appeal denied: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04/24/judge-rules-against-letting-alfie-evans-a-terminally-ill-british-child-go-to-the-popes-hospital/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8680043c53fe Putting aside all the medical considerations, if the child has British citizenship, why is he not permitted to leave the country, particularly when someone else (Italy) is bearing the cost? Edited by George K, Apr 25 2018, 02:10 PM.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 25 2018, 02:34 PM Post #48 |
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Cheers
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That’s the entire crux of this, in my view. |
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| George K | Apr 25 2018, 02:50 PM Post #49 |
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Yup. Freedom of travel, when you boil it down. The government says you can't leave? "Remember the Berlin Wall wasn't built to keep people out, it was built to keep people in." |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mikhailoh | Apr 25 2018, 02:54 PM Post #50 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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This is a turf war on the part of the British government, which makes it all the more shameful. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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