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Donald Trump has made me a better person
Topic Started: Apr 22 2018, 09:30 AM (1,538 Views)
George K
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xenon
Apr 23 2018, 07:10 PM
I want to see his Presidency crash and burn (his Presidency, not him personally)
I'm so old that I remember when it was outrageous to hope that a president fail.
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xenon
Apr 23 2018, 10:50 PM
Selectively editing quotes, lying through omission, etc. - are not standard practice at NYT,
How about a Best-Seller List?

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In my last column -- "The New York Times Best-Seller List: Another Reason Americans Don't Trust the Media" -- I used my recently published book as evidence that The New York Times best-seller list is not a best-seller list.

I pointed out that the book, "The Rational Bible: Exodus," the first volume of my commentary on the first five books of the Bible (the Torah), did not appear on The New York Times best-seller list even though it was:

--No. 2 on the Wall Street Journal nonfiction best-seller list.

--No. 2 on the Publishers Weekly nonfiction best-seller list.

--No. 2 in hardcover nonfiction on Nielsen BookScan, which tracks 75 to 85 percent of book sales. According to BookScan, the book outsold 14 of the 15 books on The New York Times hardcover nonfiction list.

--No. 1 on Ingram, the largest book wholesaler in the country.

And, as of this writing, "The Rational Bible" fluctuates between the top 10 and top 40 of all books -- on all subjects -- on Amazon.

There are, therefore, only two possibilities: All other indicators of book sales in America including all objective ones (Ingram and BookScan) are wrong, or The New York Times best-seller list is wrong.

Apparently, such evidence and other arguments I offered were strong enough to compel The New York Times to defend itself in a series of tweets from NYTimes Communications. The liberal internet site Mediate headlined its story on the tweets "NY Times PR Roasts Conservative Author Dennis Prager For 'Hypocrisy' in Rare and Stunning Tweetstorm."

But The Times' "rare and stunning" response only strengthened any honest observer's conviction that its best-seller list isn't a best-seller list -- that due to ideological reasons, simple incompetence or both, it is actually the least accurate major best-seller list in the country.

The Times tweeted, "Political views held and expressed by authors have no bearing on our rankings."
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Yet The Times provided but one -- dubious -- example of an inaccuracy: It said it doesn't have Jordan Peterson's No. 1 best-selling nonfiction book anywhere on its list because the book is published in Canada. Apparently, a book published by Random House Canada doesn't qualify as an American-published book (even though the Random House Canada parent company, Random House, is an American publisher). But doesn't that only reconfirm that The New York Times best-seller list is not actually a best-seller list? The others list the book.
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I can't separate my view of what he does from who he is.


This is a very smart statement and I have the same problem!! LOL

That makes me go into any situation he does with a bias against. I do try and overcome that, but it is difficult.

Regarding the news organizations, I think that Xenon is also right.
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Xenon, thanks for answering my question.
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xenon
Apr 23 2018, 07:10 PM
But at the same time, I want to see his Presidency crash and burn (his Presidency, not him personally)
Whether you know it or not, what you're saying is that you don't want more employment of minorities, you don't want our borders protected, you don't want companies to bring their money back to the US, you don't want ISIS defeated, and you don't want a resolution to the north Korean situation. You don't want the economy to improve, you don't want unemployment to drop, you don't want the welfare rolls to shrink.

That's just about the stupidest thing I've heard in a while, and it's hard to take you serious when you display such poor thinking skills.
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taiwan_girl
Apr 24 2018, 06:49 AM
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I can't separate my view of what he does from who he is.


This is a very smart statement and I have the same problem!! LOL

That makes me go into any situation he does with a bias against. I do try and overcome that, but it is difficult.

Regarding the news organizations, I think that Xenon is also right.
Neither if you can separate what he does from who he is because neither one of you have actually taken the time to see who he is. You don't have a clue who he is, you're just going with the path of least resistance and accepting the leftwing narrative.

As for Canon's commentary on the news organizations, no, he is not right. Both the Washington Post and the New York Times are blatantly anti-Trump. Both have had to retract numerous news stories that they later admitted the knew were false when the ran them. Both rely heavily on "unnamed sources", and neither of them have ever published a positive news story involving Trump. Instead of them being thought of as reliable, both have come to be regarded by the people as being little more than a joke.
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Apr 24 2018, 03:00 AM
Xenon, I understand your arguments, but it is not at all clear to me how Trump is making top-tier news outlets worse?
I’m saying that Trump has characterized top news outlets as bad actors and some people buy that. There’s also lots of garbage news out there that Trump has sometimes peddled in.

He’s not making the news orgs worse, he’s a bad influence on trust in the institution.
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Apr 24 2018, 08:16 AM
xenon
Apr 23 2018, 07:10 PM
But at the same time, I want to see his Presidency crash and burn (his Presidency, not him personally)
Whether you know it or not, what you're saying is that you don't want more employment of minorities, you don't want our borders protected, you don't want companies to bring their money back to the US, you don't want ISIS defeated, and you don't want a resolution to the north Korean situation. You don't want the economy to improve, you don't want unemployment to drop, you don't want the welfare rolls to shrink.

That's just about the stupidest thing I've heard in a while, and it's hard to take you serious when you display such poor thinking skills.
I already mentioned that I don’t think Trump is uniquely positioned as the only man that can save America.
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Larry
Apr 24 2018, 08:26 AM
taiwan_girl
Apr 24 2018, 06:49 AM
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I can't separate my view of what he does from who he is.


This is a very smart statement and I have the same problem!! LOL

That makes me go into any situation he does with a bias against. I do try and overcome that, but it is difficult.

Regarding the news organizations, I think that Xenon is also right.
Neither if you can separate what he does from who he is because neither one of you have actually taken the time to see who he is. You don't have a clue who he is, you're just going with the path of least resistance and accepting the leftwing narrative.

As for Canon's commentary on the news organizations, no, he is not right. Both the Washington Post and the New York Times are blatantly anti-Trump. Both have had to retract numerous news stories that they later admitted the knew were false when the ran them. Both rely heavily on "unnamed sources", and neither of them have ever published a positive news story involving Trump. Instead of them being thought of as reliable, both have come to be regarded by the people as being little more than a joke.
I can understand his appeal, maybe you can also operate under the assumption that others have also put some thought into their argument - and aren’t driven purely by ignorance.
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Yeah, I know. But you lack good judgment, so..
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Apr 24 2018, 08:33 AM

I’m saying that Trump has characterized top news outlets as bad actors and some people buy that.

It's mostly cnn that he talks about and he is correct.

cnn has been round-the-clock all day every day outrageously anti-Trump for over 2 years now.

It's not a matter of buying something from Mr. Trump, I don't think anyone denies cnn's viewpoint.

cnn makes their money by pushing this viewpoint, it is what their viewers want to see and hear.

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And the viewers who want to see what they push are getting fewer by the day, based on their tanking numbers.

Not only has CNN pushed the anti-Trump narrative, a news article I read the other day ties CNN into the start of the "Russian collusion" lie. The news outlets Trump has characterized as bad actors are in fact guilty of being bad actors.
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Tanking is a relative term.
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You would cut your arm off before you admitted you were wrong, wouldn't you...

Nickelodeon has bigger numbers than CNN. How's that for "relative"?

They have a third of the audience size that Fox has. How's that for "relative"?

Hell, I haven't looked it up, but it wouldn't surprise me if Gunsmoke reruns have bigger numbers.

Every day that passes it gets more and more obvious that you anti-Trumpers don't have a clue.
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Nickolodeon - that just means there’s more kid’s show watchers than news watchers, no?

All I meant was that Fox is tanking just as much, if not harder than CNN. What’s the rationale for them? People also sick of their ****? I’m not going to bat for CNN - I’m just pointing out your blatantly one sided argument that applies just as equally to news sources you’d say are good.
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xenon
Apr 24 2018, 04:17 PM
All I meant was that Fox is tanking just as much, if not harder than CNN.
I hate to shake you out of your koolaid overdose, but Fox is most definitely not tanking. The have been #1 for the last 11 years running.

I suggest you do better research - try googling "is fox news tanking in the ratings".

On second thought, maybe you'd better not.. You've created such a fantasy world to live in that getting hit with reality might make your little pinhead implide.
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Apr 24 2018, 04:17 PM
Nickolodeon - that just means there’s more kid’s show watchers than news watchers, no?
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No. It means no one is watching CNN. Except nutjobs like you, of course.. And all those airline passengers who are forced to watch CNN in the airport because CNN pays the airports to have them play CNN all day...
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Is Larry real?
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Yes, I'm real. Are you? I think you're a Hillary bot.
I really hope you are, at least that way you'd have an excuse for being so warped.
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xenon
Apr 24 2018, 06:00 PM
Is Larry real?

Do something about it.

https://www.change.org/p/fcc-remove-cnn-s-airport-monopoly-and-tax-payer-funded-broadcast

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As it stands, taxpayers, like you and I, fund the free broadcast of an extremely partisan cable news network in airports around the country. In America we aren't supposed to have state-sponsored media. CNN's biased propaganda is being piped into the subconscious of America's traveling public and all taxpayers are paying for their opinion.


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Apr 24 2018, 08:33 AM
Larry
Apr 24 2018, 08:16 AM
xenon
Apr 23 2018, 07:10 PM
But at the same time, I want to see his Presidency crash and burn (his Presidency, not him personally)
Whether you know it or not, what you're saying is that you don't want more employment of minorities, you don't want our borders protected, you don't want companies to bring their money back to the US, you don't want ISIS defeated, and you don't want a resolution to the north Korean situation. You don't want the economy to improve, you don't want unemployment to drop, you don't want the welfare rolls to shrink.

That's just about the stupidest thing I've heard in a while, and it's hard to take you serious when you display such poor thinking skills.
I already mentioned that I don’t think Trump is uniquely positioned as the only man that can save America.
Agree. I just think that President Trump is not a very good person. The way he acts towards people, the names he calls them, the things he says about them, etc etc.

None of those things make him a better president. I do believe it is just the opposite - they make him a worse president because (in general) people are less willing to work with him.

I do think he has some good ideas, but as the english saying goes - "he is his own worst enemy"
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TG, there's not a male on this forum who hasn't said similar things at one time or another, and if one of them claims otherwise, he's lying. In fact, every male you've ever come in contact with in your entire life has also. Do you honestly not see that you're applying a double standard?

What you are doing is judging the man on your perception of what he says instead of looking at what he's done. I've said far worse things right here on this board than Trump has said, do you think I'm not a good person?

A lot of the things he says that get left leaner's panties in a twist are part of his negotiating style. And it's works, by the way. Some of what he says is to hit back at someone who is attacking him, I understand it, because I do that too. Does that make me not a good person?

What will determine if he's a good or bad president is not what he says, or how he says it. Obama was very good at saying things in a way that made lefties happy - yet we now can see just how horrible he was as a president. Trump will go down in history as a very effective president. In spite of those who saw fit to judge him on things that they ignored when it was a Democrat president doing it.

What amazes me about it all is how utterly lacking in substance his detractors' reasons for disliking him are, and how completely the fail to see the irony.
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Larry, that may be true, but most people keep that in private. Girls can act like that too, but I would keep it private.

I agree with Xenon, I do not think that President Trump was THE answer. He may end up doing a great job, and I hope he does, but I do believe that there were others that could have done (or do) an equally good job, without all of the crudeness he brings.
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Name one.
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