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Trump's Attorney's Office Raided by FBI
Topic Started: Apr 9 2018, 01:36 PM (2,198 Views)
Davis
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I suppose Mueller himself would have raided Cohen if he found evidence of Russian collusion. Interesting that the porn payment merits a sweep by a SWAT team in no time at all but Jon says after two years not to draw any conclusions of collusion evidence.
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Mueller was appointed 10 months ago.

And yes, you and I should not draw any sweeping conclusions about guilt or innocence because we simply are not privi to the evidence. You (and Jolly) have read reports of someone touching a tail, someone touching a tusk, and someone else touching a foot and from that you’ve feel justified in declaring that the elephant is ugly.

You simply don’t have the information to make any conclusions.


For the life of me I don’t understand how that previous sentence could be controversial.


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Davis
Apr 10 2018, 03:34 PM
I suppose Mueller himself would have raided Cohen if he found evidence of Russian collusion. Interesting that the porn payment merits a sweep by a SWAT team in no time at all but Jon says after two years not to draw any conclusions of collusion evidence.
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In his first comments since the FBI raid on his home and office, Michael Cohen said the FBI agents "were extremely professional, courteous and respectful."....

"I am unhappy to have my personal residence and office raided. But I will tell you that members of the FBI that conducted the search and seizure were all extremely professional, courteous and respectful. And I thanked them at the conclusion," Cohen said in a phone conversation on Tuesday with CNN.


Now there’s a phrase you don’t hear very often...”the target thanked the professional, courteous and respectful SWAT team that raided his home”....

Jon, can’t you count? It has been two years...2017 and 2018....
Edited by John Galt, Apr 10 2018, 05:09 PM.
Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness.
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Okay it’s fake news that the FBI investigation began in July of 2016. But you are right that Mueller has only been involved for 10 months. The FBI time in the chair of course doesn’t count. What was I thinking???
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And of course there is no recent evidence that the FBI acts swiftly. :lol2:
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And no recent evidence that Mueller coordinates with the FBI. ;)
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John Galt
Apr 10 2018, 05:08 PM
Now there’s a phrase you don’t hear very often...”the target thanked the professional, courteous and respectful SWAT team that raided his home”.
Cohen's going to spill his guts about what he knows to get immunity.
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George K
Apr 10 2018, 05:24 PM
John Galt
Apr 10 2018, 05:08 PM
Now there’s a phrase you don’t hear very often...”the target thanked the professional, courteous and respectful SWAT team that raided his home”.
Cohen's going to spill his guts about what he knows to get immunity.
If that’s true buy popcorn futures.
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Apr 10 2018, 05:24 PM
John Galt
Apr 10 2018, 05:08 PM
Now there’s a phrase you don’t hear very often...”the target thanked the professional, courteous and respectful SWAT team that raided his home”.
Cohen's going to spill his guts about what he knows to get immunity.
Cohen had his DNA all over the payment(s). He has to be he world’s worst lawyer. A perfect crime is where you bring no evidence to or leave no evidence at the crime scene. Assuming this is what is represented it’s the worst crime ever by someone who is supposedly an expert at the law. It’s impossible to guess this scenario in advance.
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Apr 10 2018, 05:46 PM
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Apr 10 2018, 05:24 PM
John Galt
Apr 10 2018, 05:08 PM
Now there’s a phrase you don’t hear very often...”the target thanked the professional, courteous and respectful SWAT team that raided his home”.
Cohen's going to spill his guts about what he knows to get immunity.
Cohen had his DNA all over the payment(s). He has to be he world’s worst lawyer. A perfect crime is where you bring no evidence to or leave no evidence at the crime scene. Assuming this is what is represented it’s the worst crime ever by someone who is supposedly an expert at the law. It’s impossible to guess this scenario in advance.
Sure it is.

The Dems will probably take the House in the midterms. If the combined efforts of the Fourth Estate and the Deep State have not been able to remove Trump, the House will move to impeach. They may have enough votes to do so. They will then try to get the Senate to convict. The Senate will not do so.

It will be the best circus in town.
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Trump will finish his term in office. May be rumblings and talk - but unless there's real fire and not smoke, don't see it happening for some of the reasons folks here have suggested - people are tired of investigations whether it is Clinton and email servers or Trump and Russia.

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whoever is the moderator that fixed my account, thank you. I can log in again.

Klurrs, I will take that bet and further state that by June, (my first prediction), will be a month of great combustion as the state will be presented with great evidence that Herr Trump will be accused of high felonious crimes. I'm sure the Republicans are already scurrying behind the scenes to come to a consensus of how to proceed when the goods are delivered to the public. He's a felon and he's our president. So weird and awful.
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Apr 10 2018, 06:50 PM
Trump will finish his term in office. May be rumblings and talk - but unless there's real fire and not smoke, don't see it happening for some of the reasons folks here have suggested - people are tired of investigations whether it is Clinton and email servers or Trump and Russia.

I think he will finish his term,but as I said, I think there will be a very strong push to impeach after the midterms. The True Believer Demonrats demand it.

Actually, I'm kind of hoping for it.
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Apr 11 2018, 05:10 AM
I think he will finish his term,but as I said, I think there will be a very strong push to impeach after the midterms. The True Believer Demonrats demand it.

Actually, I'm kind of hoping for it.
I fear that you are right, and agree that hoping for it is rational on your part.
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I predict that all your predictions will turn out to be wrong.
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I'd much rather focus on the Cohen case itself, especially any disclosure of evidence used to justify the raid, any evidence discovered from the raid, and thoughtful analyses thereof.
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Well our choices are wait to find out, or speculate and argue about it.


So, what do you think the evidence is? :D
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Apr 10 2018, 09:40 PM

the state will be presented with great evidence that Herr Trump will be accused of high felonious crimes.

Like what?

Kissing a floozy?

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Apr 11 2018, 06:08 AM
Jolly
Apr 11 2018, 05:10 AM
I think he will finish his term,but as I said, I think there will be a very strong push to impeach after the midterms. The True Believer Demonrats demand it.

Actually, I'm kind of hoping for it.
I fear that you are right, and agree that hoping for it is rational on your part.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition! :tongue:
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Apr 11 2018, 06:51 AM
Well our choices are wait to find out, or speculate and argue about it.


So, what do you think the evidence is? :D
Well if it was Russian collusion Mueller wouldn’t have referred it.

So it must be more generally about bank fraud, paying off more than one floozy? Election violation too. You know the stuff of the oldest profession directed by the second oldest profession. :lol2: Oh what we think is revelatory.
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There was reporting that some of it goes back years. So it could be money laundering about non-floozy stuff. Trump Inc, related. But I’m sure the floozy payoffs are in there too (based on the reporting, anyway).
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jon-nyc
Apr 11 2018, 08:26 AM
There was reporting that some of it goes back years. So it could be money laundering about non-floozy stuff. Trump Inc, related. But I’m sure the floozy payoffs are in there too (based on the reporting, anyway).
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/michael-cohen-investigation-serious-peril-for-trump/

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In the earlier column, I observed that it would be outrageous to raid a lawyer’s premises if the only “crime” under investigation were a campaign-finance infraction — which is generally treated as a civil-law issue for the Federal Election Commission to sort out. I would feel the same way if it were essentially a campaign-law no-no inflated into an alleged bank fraud by some, shall we say, prosecutorial creativity (a euphemism for stretching the penal law to capture erstwhile innocent behavior).

That, however, is not what’s going on here — or, at least, I don’t think it is all that is going on here.

I believe that the government is investigating whether there was, in connection with Trump’s White House bid, a conspiracy to commit fraud and extortion for the purpose of silencing potentially compromising sources — specifically, people in a position to portray Donald Trump as a womanizer. Clearly, the prosecutors regard Trump and Cohen as potential co-conspirators. That does not mean a conspiracy will be proven, but the possibility is certainly being scrutinized. Here, it is important to bear in mind a distinction from the Russia investigation: This is not a counterintelligence matter; the SDNY is unquestionably conducting a criminal investigation, and a federal judge would not have authorized search warrants absent finding probable cause that federal crimes may have been committed.

The Cohen search warrants sought, as the New York Times describes it, “all documents, including emails between Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump, related to Mr. Cohen’s efforts to suppress negative publicity ahead of the 2016 election.” We know that these efforts specifically involve — but are not necessarily limited to — the burying of stories about Trump’s flings with pornographic actress Stephanie Clifford (a.k.a. Stormy Daniels) and former Playboy model Karen McDougal. Various reports also indicate that a former Trump-building doorman named Dino Sajudin was paid $30,000 to stay silent about an unverified claim that, nearly 30 years ago, Trump fathered a child out of wedlock with a young Trump Organization employee.
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As I explained earlier this week, the only thing protected in a lawyer’s office are attorney–client communications and work product. If Cohen had incriminating items unrelated to attorney work in his office, being a lawyer does not shield him from liability. Furthermore, if there is no attorney–client relationship on a particular matter, there is no privilege. Trump and Cohen both say that Cohen did not tell Trump about the Clifford arrangement. Sounds implausible, but on its face it means there was no attorney–client relationship regarding that transaction.

More important, if a lawyer is involved with a client in a criminal conspiracy, the crime-fraud exception to the attorney–client privilege strips their communications of privileged status. It seems evident that prosecutors are investigating on the theory that Clifford, McDougal, and perhaps others were defrauded or extorted into silence. The fact that they accepted money does not foreclose the possibility that their agreement to remain silent was procured, in part, by trickery or threats.

When Hillary Clinton inserted lawyers at various stages of her email scandal, in order to conceal the mishandling of classified information, the destruction of government records, and the obstruction of investigations, some of us pointed out that when lawyers become actors in criminal schemes, there is no privilege. That’s still true.

No wrongdoing has been established at this point. But the SDNY investigation is a serious matter.
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Thrown under the bus ...

National Enquirer Turns On Michael Cohen
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/national-enquirer-michael-cohen_us_5ae5fabbe4b055fd7fcccd04
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