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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 9 2018, 01:36 PM (2,200 Views) | |
| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 06:18 AM Post #51 |
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| Jolly | Apr 10 2018, 06:19 AM Post #52 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Jon, you are so out of touch with much of the country, you might as well be on the moon. And it's not tribalism. That's your new buzz word, I guess. Americans, or at least those I am familiar with, believe in an essential sense of fairness. Many of the people I know, who did not vote for or support Trump, see much of this as a witch hunt and basically unfair. And those that did support Trump, see this as a basic negation of their voting rights. People tend to get angry when you start to take their vote away. But whistle on, my friend. I guess I'm just over-reacting, being tribal, etc. Americans would never come to such logger-heads that some would attempt to dissolve the Union or actually shoot at each other.... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 06:25 AM Post #53 |
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Honestly, Jolly, the list of things you’re willing to go to civil war for is too long for me to take into account when considering my whistling habits. In the mean time no one is canceling your vote. Trump will be fine unless he committed crimes so egregious that the GOP turns against him. |
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| kluurs | Apr 10 2018, 06:28 AM Post #54 |
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Jon, George - what the hell are you two people doing up at 3:48 AM? |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 06:32 AM Post #55 |
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It was 6:48. Your time zone must be off. |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 06:34 AM Post #56 |
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Jonah Goldberg this morning: And spare me the “Deep State” or “Rogue Prosecutor” talk. Berman is a Rudy Giuliani guy and was appointed by the Trump administration. To listen to Mike Huckabee, you’d think Mueller kicked down Cohen’s door like Mel Gibson in a Lethal Weapon movie. I’ve talked to several lawyers with DOJ experience. There are serious and strict guidelines against doing anything like this at the DOJ and FBI, particularly when the subject/target has been cooperating. They — and a judge — must have seen something significant to go ahead with this. |
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| Copper | Apr 10 2018, 06:39 AM Post #57 |
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Shortstop
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I want to know whether the Cohen/Porn Star thing will rate a whole chapter in the memoirs or just a few paragraphs, or maybe just a passing mention. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 06:47 AM Post #58 |
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Quirt points out next door that this survives a Mueller firing. |
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| Jolly | Apr 10 2018, 07:07 AM Post #59 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I have very few things I am willing to kill your kith and kin over. My freedom tops the list. My family's safety is number two and I don't know that I have a number three. I don't live in an echo chamber nor do I not understand I am a product of my region and I normally speak with like-minded people. What I do understand, and you apparently fail to grasp, is that the current non-stop war against a duly elected President, often for no reason whatsoever, is very bad for the country and its continued existence. This is not a tribal problem. |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 07:15 AM Post #60 |
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Again, shouldn’t you wait until you see the evidence before you decide that? Based on this thread, you seem to be willing to go to war for the ‘freedom’ to live in a world where Michael Cohen can’t be investigated by the FBI. |
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| George K | Apr 10 2018, 07:24 AM Post #61 |
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Andrew McCarthyAnd then he says what Jonah Goldberg quoted (in Jon's post).
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Copper | Apr 10 2018, 08:05 AM Post #62 |
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This president has been treated like no other president has ever been treated. The problem is that this will become the new norm. The impeachment of Oprah will begin even before she takes office. No real reason is needed, she is just the enemy. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Jolly | Apr 10 2018, 08:08 AM Post #63 |
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Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Cohen would not even by under investigation, had not a Special Counsel been appointed for a Russian collusion with the Trump campaign problem that has already been proven to be false. Mueller is the same man who would not admit he was wrong and ruined more than one life during the terrorism cases he investigated. I'm not even sure in the normal course of things Manafort would be prosecuted, given the nature of how business is normally done. Due process is fine, but Soviet-style witch hunts should be beyond us as a free people. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Jolly | Apr 10 2018, 08:10 AM Post #64 |
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Don't know about Oprah, but scorched earth begats scorched earth and eventually leads to blood. There are none so blind as cannot see, or those that will not even consider empire and past history. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Copper | Apr 10 2018, 08:11 AM Post #65 |
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It is Oprah's turn, but we have seen that doesn't always work out. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Klaus | Apr 10 2018, 08:43 AM Post #66 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Will we get to know what exactly "what ever warrented this" is? |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| Jolly | Apr 10 2018, 08:50 AM Post #67 |
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I would think so. Too big of a splash not to... |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 09:20 AM Post #68 |
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But... Berman recused himself. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-attorney-trump-appointee-recused-michael-cohen-investigation/story?id=54365546 |
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| George K | Apr 10 2018, 09:27 AM Post #69 |
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Journalism: It's pedantry Tuesday, but who donated money, Berman or Giuliani? "Berman, who donated money to the 2016 Trump campaign, is a Trump appointee with ties to Giuliani" is better, isn't it? Hey, it's WhatAboutism Tuesday as well! Did the Mueller investigators who donated money to Clinton recuse themselves as well? Prolly not. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 09:28 AM Post #70 |
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Two problems with this. First, collusion has not been proven to be false. (That’s not even theoretically possible) Secondly, the WSJ breaking of the story about the payoff and coverup was sufficient to start an investigation into Cohen. In fact, it probably did. Which is why this is only ‘in part’ based on Meuller. |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 09:30 AM Post #71 |
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He didn’t recuse himself because of that, he refused himself because he was up for consideration for appointment to the position. (Says Volokh). At the moment he’s only interim. |
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| George K | Apr 10 2018, 09:41 AM Post #72 |
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That wasn't apparent from your link. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 09:42 AM Post #73 |
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The funny thing is, the act of recusing himself will take him out of the running in Trump’s eyes, if his tweets about Sessions are any guide. |
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| jon-nyc | Apr 10 2018, 10:05 AM Post #74 |
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Oh, but his second in command who did approve it was another Trump appointee, Robert Khuzami. |
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| George K | Apr 10 2018, 03:11 PM Post #75 |
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http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/382459-dershowitz-targeting-trumps-lawyer-should-worry-us-all
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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