Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to The New Coffee Room. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 4
Trump's Attorney's Office Raided by FBI
Topic Started: Apr 9 2018, 01:36 PM (2,201 Views)
Luke's Dad
Member Avatar
Emperor Pengin
Has he shot himself in the back of the head 5 times, yet?

Oh wait, this is Trump's attorney, not Clinton's. My bad.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
From the Times:

Quote:
 
The documents identified in the warrant date back years, according to a person briefed on the search.


That would suggest it’s something other than the Stormy Daniels payoff.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
By the way, Jolly should be pleased that Mr. Meuller did the right thing and turned evidence over to the FBI since this wasn’t in his remit. Looks like we don’t need to worry about him going beyond his remit after all.


Good job, Mr. Mueller.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Davis
Member Avatar
Fulla-Carp
jon-nyc
Apr 10 2018, 03:37 AM
By the way, Jolly should be pleased that Mr. Meuller did the right thing and turned evidence over to the FBI since this wasn’t in his remit. Looks like we don’t need to worry about him going beyond his remit after all.


Good job, Mr. Mueller.
:lol2:
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Klaus
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
I've become a real fan of the Trump presidency, viewed as a show.

Very good and dramatic storytelling.

Next up: An unexpected plot twist involving Steve Bannon, Mossad, the killing of a Mexican drug lord, and a group of necrophilist Swedes.
Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Davis
Member Avatar
Fulla-Carp
Klaus
Apr 10 2018, 03:43 AM
I've become a real fan of the Trump presidency, viewed as a show.

Very good and dramatic storytelling.

Next up: An unexpected plot twist involving Steve Bannon, Mossad, the killing of a Mexican drug lord, and a group of necrophilist Swedes.
It’s what the media discovered it needed to survive. Every day is a new episode in the serial. Watch Westworld if you want to see the future of media curation.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George K
Member Avatar
Finally
https://www.redstate.com/patterico/2018/04/10/calm-down-cohen-raid/

Quote:
 
Let’s tick off some of the facts we know:

  • These warrants weren’t executed under the direction of Robert Mueller. They were executed under the direction of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, a Trump appointee. Remember what I said here on March 29:

    There’s really no scenario in which this plays out well for Cohen. We know that Robert Mueller is looking at some of Cohen’s involvement in Russia-related activities like Trump Tower Moscow. Mueller seems like a thorough guy, and if he runs across illegal activity by Cohen of any kind in the course of his investigation, he can at a minimum refer those matters to the Justice Department, and conceivably take them on himself.

    Disbarment might be the least of Cohen’s worries at this point.


    Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer
    It didn’t take a genius to see this coming, but let’s not pretend Robert Mueller was behind this raid. Even Cohen’s lawyer admits this was based on a referral.

  • It is not unprecedented, at all, to serve a warrant on a lawyer’s office. It usually requires higher levels of scrutiny, to be sure — and like many prosecutorial agencies, DoJ requires several levels of approval for such a warrant. They got it here.

  • It is not unprecedented, at all, to seize attorney-client privileged materials. In no way does that constitute a shredding off the right to counsel or any other constitutional provision. Such materials require strict procedures — a “dirty” team or a special master, with rigid separation from the “clean” team — to ensure that the prosecution team does not get their hands on privileged material. But again: this sort of thing happens all the time. If you were unaware of that fact, it’s time you learned it.

  • A federal magistrate approved this. Yes, magistrates sometimes approve bad warrants. But this was a very high-profile warrant, and a magistrate would have a high incentive to look at it verrrry carefully, so as to avoid looking like a fool later.

  • This warrant is almost certainly not based exclusively, or even in any significant part, on the word of Stormy Daniels. Stormy Daniels is, to put it mildly, not a credible person. She has admitted telling lies about this episode in the past. But you know who else has been flapping their gums about this? Michael Cohen and Donald Trump. Between the two of them, they’ve put enough material in the public record out of their own lie-holes for us to know that Cohen put up the hush money for Daniels, days before a presidential election, and went to tremendous and almost certainly unethical (if not illegal) lengths to distance Trump from that payment.


Excuse my ignorance, but how is a "referral" different from actually issuing the warrant? You (Jon) make it sound like Mueller had nothing to do with it, though the opposite is what I read. Had Mueller not been looking around (see 'show me the man..'), this would not have occurred.
A guide to GKSR: Click

"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
Here’s a funny thing: Cohen and Trump’s position that Trump didn’t know about the porn star payoff would mean that communications related to it aren’t protected by attorney-client privilege.

In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Davis
Member Avatar
Fulla-Carp
jon-nyc
Apr 10 2018, 03:48 AM
Here’s a funny thing: Cohen and Trump’s position that Trump didn’t know about the porn star payoff would mean that communications related to it aren’t protected by attorney-client privilege.

Like I said, the lawyer is a serious dope if he hadn’t thought through all this. It’s not like some genius just thought this up, it’s pretty obvious to a first year.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
George K
Apr 10 2018, 03:48 AM
Excuse my ignorance, but how is a "referral" different from actually issuing the warrant?
It’s a huge difference. Rather than Mueller acting on his own (immense) authority, it goes to the FBI and they have to decide whether it warrants attention. By ‘they’ I mean I bunch of trump appointees. There’s no argument here that this is a witch hunt by a bunch of never trumpers. This is a bunch of trump appointees making a judgement on evidence under their noses.

Also they would have been fully aware that the warrant will become among the most scrutinized in legal history.

So again, multiple approvals required by Trump appointees knowing every pixel would get heavily scrutinized in courts and the press. They are clearly not investigating jaywalking on hearsay evidence.

Now, pass the popcorn.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Davis
Member Avatar
Fulla-Carp
I’ll know it’s game when Alan Dershowitz throws in the towel.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
Davis
Apr 10 2018, 03:53 AM
jon-nyc
Apr 10 2018, 03:48 AM
Here’s a funny thing: Cohen and Trump’s position that Trump didn’t know about the porn star payoff would mean that communications related to it aren’t protected by attorney-client privilege.

Like I said, the lawyer is a serious dope if he hadn’t thought through all this. It’s not like some genius just thought this up, it’s pretty obvious to a first year.
I can’t help but think of the line from All The President’s Men: “The truth is, these aren’t very bright guys, and things got out of hand.” :lol2:


Seriously, though, there’s no clean legal way to do something fundamentally unclean and illegal (payoff a bimbo days before an election). So you can’t really fault him for stupidity if his ultimate attempt had holes in it.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George K
Member Avatar
Finally
jon-nyc
Apr 10 2018, 03:55 AM
It’s a huge difference. Rather than Mueller acting on his own (immense) authority, it goes to the FBI and they have to decide whether it warrants attention.
OK - that's what I thought.

Basically it boils down to "Look what I found, is this enough to have a judge issue a warrant? Let's give it to the cops, and they'll give it to the judge."

It's the same as Comey et al not referring Clinton for prosecution in June of 2016.

Is that right?

A guide to GKSR: Click

"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
So Cohen’s lawyer says the warrant was based ‘in part’ on a referral from Meuller’. It’s hard to say whether that part was dispositive. But I think they key point is Meuller did not make the call about whether or not to pursue this. A number of Trump appointees did.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Davis
Member Avatar
Fulla-Carp
What’s really funny is that this was supposedly all about Russian collusion and the shaggy dog ending is sex with a porn star. That’s the America we live in.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
You don’t know the ending. You (and Jolly) need to stop pretending you do.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George K
Member Avatar
Finally
Davis
Apr 10 2018, 04:15 AM
What’s really funny is that this was supposedly all about Russian collusion and the shaggy dog ending is sex with a porn star. That’s the America we live in.
Bill Clinton wept.
A guide to GKSR: Click

"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mikhailoh
Member Avatar
If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
There are an awful lot of people who want to see Trump out of office. An awful lot.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George K
Member Avatar
Finally
Mikhailoh
Apr 10 2018, 04:29 AM
There are an awful lot of people who want to see Trump out of office. An awful lot.
Of course there are. One bobblehead suggested that, when the Democrats take the House in November, their first order of business will be to draw up articles of impeachment.

Two thoughts.

1) It will never get through the senate (Bill Clinton smiled)
2) Mr. Pence, raise your right hand...
A guide to GKSR: Click

"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
God I hope not.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mikhailoh
Member Avatar
If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
It's very much a 'be careful what you wish for' situation.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Jolly
Member Avatar
Geaux Tigers!
Remind me to buy another case of ammo...
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
Jolly
Apr 10 2018, 05:18 AM
Remind me to buy another case of ammo...
Maybe you should wait until the evidence is in before you decide to rush the barricades for the guy. That way you can pretend it’s based on principle rather than just tribalism.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
Mikhailoh
Apr 10 2018, 04:40 AM
It's very much a 'be careful what you wish for' situation.
Don’t take my post the wrong way. I’d much rather have Pence in office than Trump.

My lament was about useless counterproductive impeachment theatre just to throw red meat to the base.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
Trump tweeted “attorney client privilege is dead” to which Preet Bharara replied “Long live the crime-fraud exception”
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · The New Coffee Room · Next Topic »
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 4