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You *will* protest, or else.
Topic Started: Mar 16 2018, 12:31 PM (193 Views)
George K
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https://ijr.com/2018/03/1076385-ohio-student-suspended-refusing-to-leave-classroom/
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Well what happened to the teacher that was being paid to be in the classroom with him?
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In order to make certain all the kids who walked outside for a demonstration remained accounted for, many, if not most of the teachers were required to go outside with the students. Those students who did not wish to participate, would then be consolidated into a smaller number of classrooms, to ensure *they* remained under supervision.

This particular student seemed to object to even that.


In any case, that’s my guess based on events at my kids various schools. Administrations were aware that a decent number of students were going to participate in the walk-out, so they essentially made it a school-sanctioned even. In our town, they used police and any available staff to watch the kids who went outside, so the other students could just stay in class.
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CTPianotech:
In our town, they used police and any available staff to watch the kids who went outside, so the other students could just stay in class.

Same in our district. The key point was that teachers were to stay in class, while supervision by other available staff would be provided for security/safety.
This 17-minute walkout was no big deal. Not sure about the next two. There seems to be considerable overt effort to use kid mobs as useful idiots for other agendas.

Next week I get to participate in a forum, will be broadcast on TV locally. That will be like walking through a minefield.
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Mar 16 2018, 01:13 PM
This particular student seemed to object to even that.
Good point. From an article linked in the original post:

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An Ohio high school student says he tried to remain nonpolitical during school walkouts over gun violence and was suspended for a day because he stayed in a classroom instead of joining protests or the alternative, a study hall.

Hilliard senior Jacob Shoemaker says school isn't the place for politics, and he wasn't taking sides Wednesday.

The district says it's responsible for students' safety and they can't be unsupervised.

Jacob's citation for not following instructions was shared online by a friend, prompting a flood of messages to his father.
ANd more here: https://www.10tv.com/article/district-post-saying-hilliard-student-suspended-over-walkout-refusal-fake
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Stacie Raterman, Director of Communications, said the information in the post is false and no students were suspended for participating or not participating in the walkout.

The student, 18-year-old Jacob Shoemaker, and his father, Scott, contacted 10TV to share their side of the story.

They confirmed Jacob was suspended.

Shoemaker is a senior at Hilliard Davidson High School.

During the time of the walkout, students were given two choices by the school. They could participate in the walkout or go to the commons area of the school.

Raterman said their policy is they cannot leave students unattended in the building for security reasons.

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Seems like students were not compelled to protest.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Meanwhile, in rural Arkansas.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/378880-arkansas-students-punished-with-paddling-for-walking-out


They say it's for leaving the premises, not for protesting. One wonders how regularly they paddle non-protesting kids for leaving the premises.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Mar 18 2018, 12:21 PM
Meanwhile, in rural Arkansas.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/378880-arkansas-students-punished-with-paddling-for-walking-out


They say it's for leaving the premises, not for protesting. One wonders how regularly they paddle non-protesting kids for leaving the premises.
Probably pretty often.

Corporal punishment is still in place down here and students are typically given a choice of whether or not they wish to be paddled or be punished some other way. I took my licks and motored on when i was a lad. Many kids do.

I don't think they were scarred for life.
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No they probably weren't scarred. I also took my licks (that's what we called them, 'three licks'), you'll recall I was born in and partially raised in the south.


But the dean always has discretion. I usually got licks for pissing him off. Usually doing something a second time after being (mildly) punished the first.


I'd love to see the actual data from that school. Maybe there will be a lawsuit and it'll come out in discovery.
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Mar 18 2018, 12:50 PM
No they probably weren't scarred. I also took my licks (that's what we called them, 'three licks'), you'll recall I was born in and partially raised in the south.


But the dean always has discretion. I usually got licks for pissing him off. Usually doing something a second time after being (mildly) punished the first.


I'd love to see the actual data from that school. Maybe there will be a lawsuit and it'll come out in discovery.
Don't think you'll see a lawsuit, unless somebody else fronts the money. The policy is in place, corporal punishment has been vetted by the courts under certain circumstances and the parents were fully informed, per school district policy.

You play, you pay. Two days detention or two licks, with no reduction in grades or anything else seems to be a fair and measured punishment.
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So, one kid was suspended for not following policy (staying in a study hall during the protests) and the other kids were punished for...not following policy (by not staying in class and participating in protests).

And the corporal punishment was the student's preference, which was approved by the parents.
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One wonders how regularly they paddle non-protesting kids for leaving the premises.
Good question. I'm sure such disciplinary records exist, as you suggest.
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No, George - the kid in your link refused to go to the study hall where the non-protesters were supposed to go.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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I think we would have all been better off if there had been no protests during school time. That's not what kids go to school for and not why teachers are being paid. If the kids wanted to protest, meet up at school one-half hour early and have at it.
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Mar 18 2018, 01:06 PM
No, George - the kid in your link refused to go to the study hall where the non-protesters were supposed to go.
A distinction without a difference. He was supposed to be in one place (the study hall) and refused. The paddled ones were supposed to be in one place (the classroom) and they refused.
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We certainly know that the kid in your link wasn't punished for not protesting, contrary to your thread title.

We'd need some data to infer what role the AK kids' protesting played.
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Mar 18 2018, 01:18 PM
We certainly know that the kid in your link wasn't punished for not protesting, contrary to your thread title.

That's true. And I admitted that. He was punished for not following regulations/procedure/policy.
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We'd need some data to infer what role the AK kids' protesting played.
And, I said that too.
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