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The Russians are really pushing the envelope
Topic Started: Mar 15 2018, 07:38 AM (277 Views)
bachophile
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HOLY CARP!!!
Spy games always have been going on

But to use nerve gas in an attack in Britain with lots of collateral damage seems to be crossing some sort of red line....

Putin is basically telling the West, Russia can do whatever it damn pleases and not much anyone can do about it.
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Ms. Galore shows how it is done.

Rock-a-bye baby!

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George K
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Two bit thug.
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Who's worse, Putin or Kim Jong Un?
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George K
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https://townhall.com/columnists/austinbay/2018/03/14/is-russias-nerve-gas-attack-in-great-britain-an-act-of-war-n2460620
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Since 2003, 14 people in Britain with Russian connections have died under mysterious circumstances. They were either Russian expatriates (several were former intelligence agents) or individuals with connections to Russian businesses or opposition political figures. Putin critic Alexander Litvinenko is perhaps the most famous. In 2006 the former security officer drank tea poisoned with polonium-210 and died in agony. In 2016 a British investigators concluded that it was "highly probable" he was assassinated by the FSB, Russian domestic security service.

But the use of an illegal chemical weapon that could be employed on a battlefield makes the March 4 crime qualitatively different. The assassins used Novichok -A-230, an "enhanced" nerve agent dispersible as a liquid or powder. Reports claim it is eight times more toxic than VX liquid nerve agent. In February 2017 North Korean assassins used VX to murder Kim Jong Nam, dictator Kim Jong Un's half-brother.

I think this is one reason British Prime Minister Theresa May has framed the March 4 incident as no ordinary assassination. May argued that the incident can be characterized as a state-directed chemical weapon attack that occurred on British territory -- in other words, an act of war. She mentioned invoking NATO Article 5 as a response to incident.

NATO Article 5 -- also called The Three Musketeers Clause -- commits the alliance to defend an ally when its territory is attacked. The daring French musketeers promised one for all and all for one. Article 5 makes a similar serious commitment. It has only been invoked once: after al-Qaida's attack on the U.S.

I doubt that Britain will invoke it. However, Britain is telling Putin's Kremlin "gray zone war" is still war. And the March 4 incident is a very pale white shade of gray.
See http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/topic/9048037/1/?x=20#new
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I wonder what the Cockholster in Chief would do in response to an invocation of Article 5?
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jon-nyc
Mar 15 2018, 06:11 PM
I wonder what the Cockholster in Chief would do in response to an invocation of Article 5?
According to folks on your side of the aisle, nothing.

After all, he owes his election to collusion with Putin.
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jon-nyc
Mar 15 2018, 06:11 PM
I wonder what the Cockholster in Chief would do in response to an invocation of Article 5?
I don’t get your question given what the WH has said the last couple of days Trump’s prior commitment notwithstanding.
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And another one bites the dust:
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Police have launched a murder investigation into the death of the Russian businessman Nikolai Glushkov after a pathologist concluded he died from compression to the neck, suggesting he may have been strangled by hand or ligature.

The Metropolitan police’s counter-terrorism command is retaining its lead role in the investigation “because of the associations Mr Glushkov is believed to have had” but has cautioned that there was no suggestion of a link with the attempted murders of the Russian former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury almost two weeks ago.

At the time of his death, Glushkov was about to defend a claim against him by the Russian airline Aeroflot at the commercial court in London, where he was accused of fraud.

In 2017, during a trial in absentia in Russia, he was sentenced to eight years in prison for stealing $123m from the airline, which then pursued the case in London. Glushkov failed to show up at court in central London on Monday and his body was discovered in south-west London that evening.

The Met said: “Detectives are retaining an open mind and are appealing for any information that will assist the investigation.” Officers want to hear from anyone who may have seen or heard anything suspicious at or near his home in Clarence Avenue in New Malden between Sunday 11 March and Monday 12 March

The police’s belief that Glushkov was killed will increase scrutiny over the safety of Russians in the UK and is likely to stoke tensions in an escalating diplomatic dispute over whether the Kremlin played a role in the Skripal attack, which involved the nerve agent novichok.

On Friday, the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, blamed the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, for the attack, telling an audience at the Battle of Britain museum in Uxbridge: “We think it overwhelmingly likely that it was his [Putin’s] decision to direct the use of a nerve agent on the streets of the UK, on the streets of Europe, for the first time since the second world war.”

Putin’s spokesman, Dimitry Peskov, denounced the comment as “a shocking and unforgivable breach of diplomatic rules of decent behaviour”. The two nations have already announced tit-for-tat expulsions of diplomats, including 23 embassy staff in London.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/18/boris-johnson-russia-has-creating-stockpiling-nerve-agents-assassinations/
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Sergei Skripal and his daughter may have been exposed to the nerve agent used in their attempted assassination through the Russian spy’s car ventilation system, intelligence sources have told a US television channel.

ABC News said sources had told it that intelligence officials “now have a clearer picture of just how the attack was conducted”.

Agencies reportedly now believe the toxin - identified as a fourth generation nerve agent called Novichok - was used in a “dust-like powdered form” and that it circulated through the vents of Colonel Skripal’s BMW.
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Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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MainerMikeBrown
Mar 15 2018, 12:17 PM
Who's worse, Putin or Kim Jong Un?
Yes.
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George K
Mar 18 2018, 10:35 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/18/boris-johnson-russia-has-creating-stockpiling-nerve-agents-assassinations/
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Sergei Skripal and his daughter may have been exposed to the nerve agent used in their attempted assassination through the Russian spy’s car ventilation system, intelligence sources have told a US television channel.

ABC News said sources had told it that intelligence officials “now have a clearer picture of just how the attack was conducted”.

Agencies reportedly now believe the toxin - identified as a fourth generation nerve agent called Novichok - was used in a “dust-like powdered form” and that it circulated through the vents of Colonel Skripal’s BMW.
Novichok No. 5. I am not making this up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/12/what-is-novichok-the-russian-nerve-agent-and-the-scientist-who-revealed-it/?utm_term=.1c2e7df32242
Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness.
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George K
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Organophosphates are nasty, nasty drugs. Commonly used as pesticides (malathion and parathion), they've been weaponized for decades.

They interfere with the metabolism of acetylcholine, the neurotransmitter that acts at the neuromuscular junction. They can cause uncontrollable diarrhea, salivation, bronchial secretions, dangerous slowing of the heart, as well as interfering with muscle activity.

I used to use a drug called neostigmine - it is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor as well, but orders of magnitude less powerful. It is *always* given along with an atropine-like drug to prevent the side effects that I mentioned above.
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Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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George K
Mar 18 2018, 01:01 PM
Organophosphates are nasty, nasty drugs. Commonly used as pesticides (malathion and parathion), they've been weaponized for decades.

They interfere with the metabolism of acetylcholine, the neurotransmitter that acts at the neuromuscular junction. They can cause uncontrollable diarrhea, salivation, bronchial secretions, dangerous slowing of the heart, as well as interfering with muscle activity.

I used to use a drug called neostigmine - it is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor as well, but orders of magnitude less powerful. It is *always* given along with an atropine-like drug to prevent the side effects that I mentioned above.
Not super rare down here to see a farmer come in done in by "cotton poison". Don't see it quite as much as we used to...I don't know if farmers got smarter, pesticides changed or we don't have as many boll weevils as we used to...
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bachophile
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HOLY CARP!!!
George K
Mar 18 2018, 10:35 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/18/boris-johnson-russia-has-creating-stockpiling-nerve-agents-assassinations/
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Sergei Skripal and his daughter may have been exposed to the nerve agent used in their attempted assassination through the Russian spy’s car ventilation system, intelligence sources have told a US television channel.

ABC News said sources had told it that intelligence officials “now have a clearer picture of just how the attack was conducted”.

Agencies reportedly now believe the toxin - identified as a fourth generation nerve agent called Novichok - was used in a “dust-like powdered form” and that it circulated through the vents of Colonel Skripal’s BMW.
so BMW is responsible....?

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