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| jon-nyc | Mar 15 2018, 04:22 PM Post #26 |
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Cheers
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The problem is ‘society’ is such a broad concept it becomes almost a tautology. “What’s different now?” “Things. Things are different.” |
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| Jolly | Mar 15 2018, 05:00 PM Post #27 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Then drill it down. Look at shootings, not just mass shooting and consider the society of the moment. I can sum up a lot of the problems in a single sentence, but it wouldn't do any good. And in the second place, even when we know the answer, we ignore it, because it isn't what we want to do. Lastly, this is not a "we do x and it fixes y". People are far from perfect and never will be. |
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| taiwan_girl | Mar 15 2018, 06:17 PM Post #28 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I am interested in why you do not think so. Maybe my mind does not think "out of the box" enough, but I truly cannot think that the US society would overall not be safer if there were zero guns. I am sure that there would be isolated individual instances where maybe it would not be safer, but overall? I cannot think of any. Edited by taiwan_girl, Mar 15 2018, 06:18 PM.
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| Copper | Mar 15 2018, 06:26 PM Post #29 |
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Shortstop
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The country wouldn't last a week. Is there any country on earth that would not try to claim this territory? It wouldn't take much to start the process. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Larry | Mar 15 2018, 08:30 PM Post #30 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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You realize of course that even Taiwan has a lot of guns in private hands. Removing "all" guns is a pipe dream. not only *won't* that happen, it is literally impossible for that to happen. Building guns is a known craft, someone will always be able to make some. So let's get down to reality: If you *were* able to get rid of all guns, you'd be left with a very bad problem: the only people with guns are your government. How safe does that make you feel? And even if you were lucky enough to have a benevolent government that was honest and transparent, caring only about the people, with absolutely no power struggles at all.... what weapon would the people choose to replace the guns with? And they ARE going to find another way to kill each other, or to stop someone from killing them. It's nice to think about utopian scenarios and all, but it can't be given equal footing to reality. And the reality is, the vast majority of gun owners in the US are decent law abiding people who have absolutely no desire to harm anyone, but they think they have a right to protect themselves and their loved ones, and the government does NOT have the right to infringe on that. In fact, your statement "I'm sure there would be isolated individual instances where it would be safer (having guns)" is exactly backwards to reality. The reality is, cases of gun related violence are the "isolated individual instances", not the other way around. For every gun related act of violence there are multiples of instances where guns saved the day. Every day, day in and day out, someone's life gets saved because someone nearby had a gun. not only that, but for every gun involved in a crime, there are thousands upon thousands of guns hidden securely on an individual that has never and will never be used to commit a crime. Those guns will be more likely to *stop* a crime than cause one. Guns are not the problem. |
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| Copper | Mar 16 2018, 06:53 AM Post #31 |
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Actually if you got rid of all guns in the country nobody would have guns. Except of course for the foreign invaders who would immediately fill the vacuum. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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