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Buick must die
Topic Started: Mar 14 2018, 08:15 AM (200 Views)
George K
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/03/buick-death-watch-1-buick-must-die/
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Jolly
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You have to let Buick be Buick and Chevrolet be Chevrolet.

To be a Buick, you have to have adequate performance, luxurious but not over the top appointments, luxurious ride, build quality and dependability.
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MainerMikeBrown
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I've owned a Pontiac, a Chevy, as well as a Ford before, and currently a Mitsubishi. But I've never owned a Buick.
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Mikhailoh
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I did. 71 duece and a quarter coupe. Loved that car.
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MainerMikeBrown
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Heck, I've never even driven a Buick before.
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George K
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My family's first Buick (it's the car on the right...)

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Jolly
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I had a few...

1. 1947 Super
2. 1973 GS
3. 1966 Wildcat
4. 1968 Riviera
5. 1980 LeSabre
6. 1984 LeSabre
7. 1991 Century
8. 1992 Park Avenue Ultra
9. 2001 LeSabre
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This thread reminds me of when every so often we hear about the passing a celebrity from when George was a young man long ago, and I think, "Huh, I woulda guessed they'd already..."
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Steve Miller
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Can anyone name three current Buick models without Googling?

The only one I know is LaCrosse. I think it’s a mini van.
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Jolly
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Steve Miller
Mar 14 2018, 08:31 PM
Can anyone name three current Buick models without Googling?

The only one I know is LaCrosse. I think it’s a mini van.
Lacrosse, Regal, Encore.
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My first car was a 1950 Buick Super Straight-8. It was a slow accelerating monster with a 2 speed semi-automatic transmission. It was also the most comfortable car I've ever owned. The back seat was like a sofa with leg room to spare. The AM radio sounded like a very good console radio and was very pleasant to listen to.
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jon-nyc
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Too fancy for my family. We were Chevy people.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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George K
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A response:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/03/response-buicks-concerns-regarding-yesterdays-article/

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Yesterday, your humble author went back to the proverbial old school for a heartfelt piece on why Buick must die. It gave me no pleasure to write it; I can still remember being five years old and waiting with anticipation for my father to bring home his new steel-grey 1977 LeSabre sedan. That was an American-made luxury sedan to compete heads-up with anything the world could offer, which no doubt explains why the Volvo that sat next to it in the garage found its way to the classifieds shortly afterwards.

There is nothing I would rather see than the resurrection of a revitalized Buick taking the fight to Lexus with a top-notch lineup of cars and crossovers that are built and designed — scratch that, I would probably settle for built or designed at this point! — in the United States. That’s why I handed out that tough love to the Tri-shield yesterday.

It would have been nice if Buick PR had responded by sending me some off-the-record advance notice of a new world-class luxury car or truck. I suppose it was naive of me to even think there might be such a thing in the pipeline. Rather, my boss received a list of complaints from Buick’s brand communications manager, Stu Fowle. He believes the article is incorrect on several points. In the interest of promoting further informed discussion about Buick’s current woes, I’ve listed his complaints after the jump, along with my responses.


Buick’s objections, via Fowle, are in italics, my responses are in bold.

No fresh faces like GMC has? The newest and broadest lineup we’ve ever had, about 2 years or newer

Nowhere in the text does it say Buick does not have “fresh faces” like GMC has. It states that GMC has “fresh faces and shiny grilles.” This is a reflection of GMC’s strong and customer desire-driven lineup. I’m afraid you’re reading something into the text that does not exist.

Regal sedan no one buys? Correct, we no longer sell a Regal sedan. We sell a sportback and wagon, both of which are brand new

If you’re not selling luxury sedans anymore, you might want to change the webpage for your Regal, which is http://www.buick.com/sedans/regal-gs-luxury-sedan. (Here’s an archived link in case that changes today.)

4800 pound Enclave with no market? That weight is off by 400 pounds and the Enclave in February had about 50 percent more sales than CX-9, XC90, Q7

In that case, you’ll want to change your own website which lists the FWD Enclave at 4,724 pounds. (Here’s the archive link for reference after you fix that.) As far as sales of the Enclave versus the “competition”… you’ve picked an obscure Mazda, a Volvo sold through a dealer network a fraction the size of Buick’s, and an Audi that starts ten grand above the Enclave then rockets up to nearly six figures. Wouldn’t it be more relevant to point out that the GMC Acadia outsells the Enclave by more than three to one? How about comparing it to the Chevrolet Traverse, which outsells it almost four to one? Or would it be more relevant to point out that the Enclave is third from the bottom on February’s segment sales list, taking a thorough beating from vehicles as diverse as the VW Atlas, the Nissan Murano, and the Dodge Durango?

“Removing the imports” from the lineup is nonsensical just to make a comparison work. The HR-V used as a point of comparison sells similarly to the Encore in an apples-to-apples segment compare and it should be noted that it’s also an import, built in Mexico.

I think it’s VERY relevant that Buick relies on Chinese and Korean vehicles to make its unimpressive sales numbers. I think it is VERY relevant that Buick, a brand that exists today because of the full faith and credit of the United States government, is a major importer of Chinese-built vehicles. Furthermore, if you don’t see the difference between the HR-V’s supply chain and the Encore’s, you need to study up on what your own employer does to design, engineer, and build vehicles.

There’s a claim that we’ve had “Five dismal years” but they’ve all been growth years until we took a small drop in 2017.

I think this is a reasonable objection. Buick sales are certainly up from where they were a decade ago. However, I believe if you read the article with attention you will see that the phrase is “a few dismal years,” and that it comes in the context of Buick’s fall from its previous grace. Still, insofar as the past few years were, on the average, no more dismal than the few years before it, let’s award the point to you.

Why are we comparing the price of our top trim LaCrosse Avenir to versus a base ES? A base LaCrosse costs $9,000 less than the ES (and the Avenir costs about $6,000 more, not $9,000)

The ES350 starts at $38,950. The cheapest V6 LaCrosse starts at $34,595. The Avenir starts at $45,795. Looks like neither of us have our figures quite right, but that’s not your central point. You suggest that it is unfair to compare the ES to the Avenir. My suggestion in response is that you will be lucky to match the real-world transaction prices of the base ES with your Avenir. The fact that you don’t see the prestige and perception gap between the two products does not bode well for Buick’s ability to accurately position and market its vehicles.

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I appreciate Buick’s decision to reach out with concerns about the story. I can’t blame them. Let’s just hope that the folks in the product planning department have a better set of answers to give us, and that those answers arrive soon. It doesn’t seem likely. As Fowle points out, this is Buick’s freshest lineup in recent years. If there’s a change to come, it won’t be coming in the near future. Let’s cross our fingers. In the meantime, well, as they say on HBO… Now our watch begins.
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Jolly
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GM MRSP is rarely what anybody pays. A couple of years ago, I drove a Lacrosse. It was offered at $26k, but that was more than I wanted to pay for a work car. I bought a Sonata SE for $20k.

The Buick was the nicer car, though.
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JoeB
Mar 15 2018, 03:33 AM
My first car was a 1950 Buick Super Straight-8. It was a slow accelerating monster with a 2 speed semi-automatic transmission. It was also the most comfortable car I've ever owned. The back seat was like a sofa with leg room to spare. The AM radio sounded like a very good console radio and was very pleasant to listen to.
The straight 8 was a great motor. Not even 300 ci, it was pretty good in the torque department, especially when coupled with the right transmission. It was common in the 40's to find that motor in buses.

I had one in my 47, with a manual three-on-a-tree. Stick it in third from a dead stop, feather out the clutch and you could step on the gas until you hit 100.

And it would run on octane as low as 74, with the right settings on the carb.
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