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The organic movement jumps shark
Topic Started: Mar 13 2018, 10:37 AM (318 Views)
Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Organic Cheetos. Doritos too.

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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
I always thought the organic stuff was a crock.

How are you going to know?
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Jolly
Mar 13 2018, 10:44 AM
How are you going to know?
May be if the thing tastes or smells more like natural **** than chemical fertilizers?
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brenda
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Axtremus
Mar 13 2018, 11:16 AM
Jolly
Mar 13 2018, 10:44 AM
How are you going to know?
May be if the thing tastes or smells more like natural **** than chemical fertilizers?
Aqua has taken over Ax's login.
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MainerMikeBrown
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This news doesn't effect me much because I rarely eat Cheetos or Doritos.
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Jolly
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brenda
Mar 13 2018, 11:19 AM
Axtremus
Mar 13 2018, 11:16 AM
Jolly
Mar 13 2018, 10:44 AM
How are you going to know?
May be if the thing tastes or smells more like natural **** than chemical fertilizers?
Aqua has taken over Ax's login.
Nah, don't think Aqua is that ignorant.

I maybe wrong but Ax doesn't strike me as the vegetable gardening type...
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Riley
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brenda
Mar 13 2018, 11:19 AM
Axtremus
Mar 13 2018, 11:16 AM
Jolly
Mar 13 2018, 10:44 AM
How are you going to know?
May be if the thing tastes or smells more like natural **** than chemical fertilizers?
Aqua has taken over Ax's login.
:lol:
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jon-nyc
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There's an interesting debate about organic foods. I mean, besides the one about whether it really means anything important.

Among those who are into 'organic' there's a debate about how good it is when large scale producers try to go 'organic'. Some think its a great thing so that it can become more of a mass phenomenon. Others think that's somehow taints it and are really caught up in the romanticism of the small farmer. I tend to side with the former group. I don't think organic food should have a little red velvet rope around it.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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George K
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Okay, excuse my ignorance.

What does "organic" really mean - what gives a food that badge?
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Jolly
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jon-nyc
Mar 13 2018, 02:36 PM
There's an interesting debate about organic foods. I mean, besides the one about whether it really means anything important.

Among those who are into 'organic' there's a debate about how good it is when large scale producers try to go 'organic'. Some think its a great thing so that it can become more of a mass phenomenon. Others think that's somehow taints it and are really caught up in the romanticism of the small farmer. I tend to side with the former group. I don't think organic food should have a little red velvet rope around it.
Do a bit of reading on what you can do to a crop and still be labeled organic.

Besides, you bite into a tomato, and you can't tell if it's been hit with malathion, sevin or any other form of common insecticide. You chew on an ear of corn and you can't tell if it's been sprayed down with POST. And chew on a mouthful of green beans, and I defy you to tell me Treflan was used as a pre-emerg.

If somebody is truly trying to go wholly organic, they better hope they make a lot more money on their product. Even the best organic guys are down 20% in yield vs. conventional. And it requires a butt-load more labor. In a razor thin margin biz like farming, where two bad years mean bankruptcy, you better make the most money you can, while you can.

Which is why most small farms operate at a loss or go belly-up, unless there is outside income. The bank will not let you pay your note with a romantic vista...
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Larry
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I don't grow food crops, heck, I don't even know that much about the crops I do grow... but this "organic" stuff is bull sh!t.

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Steve Miller
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George K
Mar 13 2018, 02:46 PM
Okay, excuse my ignorance.

What does "organic" really mean - what gives a food that badge?
Read ďOmnivores DilemmaĒ. Even my farmer friends like it.

Everything you need to know about Organic.
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Klaus
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Eating organic food is selfish. The number of people you can feed with a square mile of land is much lower for organic food. You couldn't feed 8 billion people that way.
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Klaus
Mar 14 2018, 12:03 AM
Eating organic food is selfish. The number of people you can feed with a square mile of land is much lower for organic food. You couldn't feed 8 billion people that way.
Not strictly true.

Organic farming has issues as far as far as damage to the soil, and itís relatively expensive. But it very nearly as efficient as traditional farming. Again, I recommend the book.. of
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Klaus
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Steve Miller
Mar 14 2018, 12:20 AM
Klaus
Mar 14 2018, 12:03 AM
Eating organic food is selfish. The number of people you can feed with a square mile of land is much lower for organic food. You couldn't feed 8 billion people that way.
Not strictly true.

Organic farming has issues as far as far as damage to the soil, and itís relatively expensive. But it very nearly as efficient as traditional farming. Again, I recommend the book.. of
It is strictly true, as has been shown in numerous studies.
Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman
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Aqua Letifer
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Klaus
Mar 14 2018, 12:26 AM
Steve Miller
Mar 14 2018, 12:20 AM
Klaus
Mar 14 2018, 12:03 AM
Eating organic food is selfish. The number of people you can feed with a square mile of land is much lower for organic food. You couldn't feed 8 billion people that way.
Not strictly true.

Organic farming has issues as far as far as damage to the soil, and itís relatively expensive. But it very nearly as efficient as traditional farming. Again, I recommend the book.. of
It is strictly true, as has been shown in numerous studies.
By that logic, growing anything at all without maximum yield is selfish. Farming anything without the exprss purpose of feeding as many people as possible with your product is selfish. Which isnít true.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Davis
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if eating organic means you donít eat junk fund, youíve won, otherwise you wasted your money.
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Jolly
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Don't worry, first time the economy tanks, half the organic guys will be out of business.
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Larry
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https://www.acsh.org/news/2015/09/29/20-reasons-not-to-feed-your-family-organic
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Aqua Letifer
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How old do you all think commercial organic farming is in America, and why do you think itís supported in the farming community?
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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George K
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Aqua Letifer
Mar 14 2018, 05:05 AM
why do you think itís supported in the farming community?
I dunno.

Maybe because it makes more money for farmers?

Really, I don't know, but I'd guess that my speculation is spot-on.
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Jolly
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Aqua Letifer
Mar 14 2018, 05:05 AM
How old do you all think commercial organic farming is in America, and why do you think itís supported in the farming community?
Before the internal combustion engine and chemicals, I'd say most farming was organic.

I don't know about "supported", but I figure I'm fixin' to find out...
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Aqua Letifer
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Jolly
Mar 14 2018, 05:08 AM
Aqua Letifer
Mar 14 2018, 05:05 AM
How old do you all think commercial organic farming is in America, and why do you think itís supported in the farming community?
Before the internal combustion engine and chemicals, I'd say most farming was organic.

I don't know about "supported", but I figure I'm fixin' to find out...
A lot of it started in the 40s. And it wasnít a hipstery, health-nut kind of venture, it was commercial farmers looking for a better, cheaper, more robust way to get more yield at a better quality. So yeah, first sign of market trouble, the gimmicky crap will fall by the wayside. But organic farming has been around generations prior to today for a reason. Itís not a lefty idea the right should sneer at simply because they think itís a lefty idea, itís got nothing to do with that.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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George K
Mar 14 2018, 05:08 AM
Aqua Letifer
Mar 14 2018, 05:05 AM
why do you think itís supported in the farming community?
I dunno.

Maybe because it makes more money for farmers?

Really, I don't know, but I'd guess that my speculation is spot-on.
It does make more money for farmers. But for decades prior to now, itís not been because of the marketing.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
According to the research, the natural chemicals used as pesticides by "organic" farming is more toxic than the synthetic pesticides used by other farmers. It also requires more land to produce an equivalent yield, which scientists say releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than regular farming. Also, according to the science, "organic" food has no more nutritional value than the other, no more flavor, and I hate to break it to you, but it does not make farmers more money.
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