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Yeah, that ineffectual Trump...
Topic Started: Mar 8 2018, 05:01 PM (1,076 Views)
Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
jon-nyc
Mar 9 2018, 02:57 PM
You’re just a deranged trump hater, Klaus.
I don't know about deranged, but you damn sure had your minds made up even before anything happened.

The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Klaus
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HOLY CARP!!!
The point is that nothing has happened yet.

And I’m quite open to call Trump a foreign policy genius if he manages to get good results. I’m very open minded about that.
Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
See? He doesn’t hate sh!thole countries!
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George K
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Finally
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/kim-jong-un-reveals-he-is-just-using-trump-to-meet-stormy-daniels
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Kim Jong Un has revealed to close associates that he has offered to meet Donald J. Trump only as a means of achieving his real goal: meeting the former adult-film star Stormy Daniels.

A confidant of the North Korean dictator said that Kim revealed his true intentions behind the Trump invitation at a high-level government meeting on Thursday night. “Kim said that he was a big fan of Stormy’s, and he decided that meeting with Trump would be a ‘necessary evil’ if he wanted a chance to meet her,” the confidant said.

According to the confidant, Kim first attempted to arrange a meeting with Daniels through his close friend, the former N.B.A. player Dennis Rodman, “but, when Dennis said that he didn’t know Stormy, Kim was, like, ‘Oh, well, I guess I’ll have to go through Trump, then.’ ”

Kim reportedly is prepared to use whatever leverage is necessary to force Trump to broker the meeting with the erstwhile porn performer. “If Kim doesn’t get to meet Stormy, the missile tests resume,” the confidant said.

When told about Kim’s real reason for offering to meet with Trump, a White House aide initially expressed shock, but then added, “Now everything makes sense.”
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George K
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NRO: Don't Meet with Kim

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This is stunning improvisatory diplomacy and also, we believe, a very bad idea. North Korean leaders have long sought summits with American presidents as the ultimate means of international legitimacy. And what has Kim done to deserve this honor? Over the last nine months or so, he murdered Otto Warmbier, threatened Guam, and launched multiple missile tests, including two that flew over Japan.

Kim reached out for a meeting with Trump via South Korean intermediaries with hazy assurances he is willing to discuss denuclearization. The gambit may reflect the squeeze Pyongyang is feeling from sanctions that the Trump administration has, to its credit, steadily ratcheted up. But it is also straight from the regime’s playbook. Its pattern over the decades has been to buy time and get relief from sanctions, while continuing to pursue its core strategic goal of developing nuclear weapons and an advanced missile capability.

The North may believe that Trump is an easy mark for the latest iteration of this approach. The president is not given to extensive preparation or attention to detail, and his recent White House meetings on immigration and guns demonstrate a negotiator who is eager to tell his interlocutors what they want to hear, even if it is counter to his administration’s policy. Trump will be under pressure from South Korea and from his State Department to be conciliatory, and the temptation to get an agreement, any agreement, to wave around as an against-the-odds diplomatic achievement will be considerable.

If such a meeting comes off — and there is still some significant chance that it won’t — the U.S. will have to be carefully prepared. It will have to resist playing by North Korea’s rules in terms of venue and parameters, be willing to bring up items that are a surprise to the North Korean side, and be ready to declare the negotiations a failure without notice, accompanied by new punitive measures. And do all this while engaging in alliance maintenance, knowing that the North desperately wants to split us from the South.

This, in short, is an extraordinarily taxing diplomatic task, with very little upside. The chances of the North’s being willing to give up its nuclear weapons in a verifiable manner are extremely slim. The best case may be that Trump demonstrates that he is willing to talk, yet gets nowhere, building the case for even sterner measures to pressure and isolate the regime. It is encouraging that the administration says its policy of maximum pressure remains in place — so at least it is not repeating George W. Bush’s mistake of preemptive concessions — but it would be even better if it were thinking of a way out of the commitment to a meeting.

The North Korean regime isn’t to be underestimated. It has been playing this game for decades as if its existence depends on it — because it does.
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
Would they be happier if we had nuked them and just gotten it over with?
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Copper
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Shortstop

Funny, I thought everyone would unite behind Mr. Trump on this issue.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Mikhailoh
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One would think. Nary a whisper of it next door.
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Mikhailoh
Mar 10 2018, 07:34 AM
One would think. Nary a whisper of it next door.

Fixed.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
Copper
Mar 10 2018, 07:42 AM
Mikhailoh
Mar 10 2018, 07:34 AM
One would think. Nary a whisper of it next door.

Fixed.
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The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Rule 1, if Trump does anything it’s bad
Rule 2, if you think otherwise refer to Rule 1

30 years of diplomacy have accomplished squat except for giving NK nuclear capability and now no matter what Trump does it is horrible. You can’t make this stuff up.
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Luke's Dad
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Emperor Pengin
While I understand why prior Presidents refused to meet with NK, what has that accomplished? At this point, why not?
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Klaus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Luke's Dad
Mar 10 2018, 06:57 PM
While I understand why prior Presidents refused to meet with NK, what has that accomplished? At this point, why not?
I agree, but we don't know yet whether the meeting will accomplish anything.
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
No, we don't. But it is more likely to accomplish something than not talking.
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We are letting a man who couldn't successfully pay off a porn star negotiate with a nuclear armed north korea.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
I've never been convinced that he will run again in 2020.
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
Nobody's Sock
Mar 11 2018, 07:00 AM
We are letting a man who couldn't successfully pay off a porn star negotiate with a nuclear armed north korea.
He's the reason NK is ready to talk.

And besides, you and the rest of you leftwing nutjobs put a man in the oval office who allowed them to become nuclear armed in the first place.

Tell me nutjob, if Hillary had won, what do you think she'd be doing about this right now?

You remember Hillary, right? The woman who couldn't successfully pay off a dozen of her husband's rape victims?
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Larry
Mar 11 2018, 07:09 AM
Nobody's Sock
Mar 11 2018, 07:00 AM
We are letting a man who couldn't successfully pay off a porn star negotiate with a nuclear armed north korea.
He's the reason NK is ready to talk.

And besides, you and the rest of you leftwing nutjobs put a man in the oval office who allowed them to become nuclear armed in the first place.

Tell me nutjob, if Hillary had won, what do you think she'd be doing about this right now?

You remember Hillary, right? The woman who couldn't successfully pay off a dozen of her husband's rape victims?
Whataboutism, your side has made it your mantra. It's all ya got! 2018 is coming, and the door is going to be shown to so many wearing the red coats.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Dream on.
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Davis
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Nobody's Sock
Mar 11 2018, 07:32 AM
Larry
Mar 11 2018, 07:09 AM
Nobody's Sock
Mar 11 2018, 07:00 AM
We are letting a man who couldn't successfully pay off a porn star negotiate with a nuclear armed north korea.
He's the reason NK is ready to talk.

And besides, you and the rest of you leftwing nutjobs put a man in the oval office who allowed them to become nuclear armed in the first place.

Tell me nutjob, if Hillary had won, what do you think she'd be doing about this right now?

You remember Hillary, right? The woman who couldn't successfully pay off a dozen of her husband's rape victims?
Whataboutism, your side has made it your mantra. It's all ya got! 2018 is coming, and the door is going to be shown to so many wearing the red coats.
The Blue Wall strikes again! I keep hearing about it.
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
No, it's not "all we got". The ones who don't have anything any more are the democrats.

You actually don't give a sh!t about the country, do you - all you care about is your political party.

That's why your party is dying.

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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
The Left hasn't had anything to offer in 30 years. Now that they are taking a hard turn toward Marxism, they should now be viewed as a terrorist organization and banned from the public square.

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Copper
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Klaus
Mar 11 2018, 02:06 AM
Luke's Dad
Mar 10 2018, 06:57 PM
While I understand why prior Presidents refused to meet with NK, what has that accomplished? At this point, why not?
I agree, but we don't know yet whether the meeting will accomplish anything.

We can be pretty sure that the meeting will cause cnn to say that Mr. Trump totally botched the meeting.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
Nobody's Sock
Mar 11 2018, 07:00 AM
We are letting a man who couldn't successfully pay off a porn star negotiate with a nuclear armed north korea.
Are your eyes brown?
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Davis
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Fulla-Carp
Jimmy Carter must be losing his mind-

https://www.ajc.com/news/jimmy-carter-north-korea-good-going-talking-them/GZLGoyTs9ufLbgJkCw9IyN/

Will someone get him to stfu.
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