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| Sabotaging the Census | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 30 2017, 11:24 AM (180 Views) | |
| George K | Dec 30 2017, 11:24 AM Post #1 |
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Finally
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By asking if you're a citizen.
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 30 2017, 11:52 AM Post #2 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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How in hell can you do a census without knowing who is and is not a citizen? As I recall the last census had 7 zillion questions all more personal and less related to census than that. |
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| John Galt | Dec 30 2017, 12:47 PM Post #3 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Apparently it's about population, not citizens. From Wiki:
How congressional seats are apportioned: https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-08.pdf
But could your answers to those other questions get you deported? |
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| Jolly | Dec 30 2017, 12:57 PM Post #4 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Personally, I don't give a rolling red rat's rectum. It is not the purpose of the United States of America to make illegal aliens comfortable. |
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| John Galt | Dec 30 2017, 01:00 PM Post #5 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I thought the original article was about conducting an accurate census and that asking the question might skew the results. Where did it say anything about comfort? |
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| Jolly | Dec 30 2017, 01:05 PM Post #6 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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The article presupposes asking such a question would make an illegal fearful (I used the word not comfortable, as in uncomfortable). I thought I used a bit nicer term, but fearful works fine. I also don't give a rolling red rat's rectum if the census questions make an illegal alien fearful. The United States of America does not exist to abate fear in illegal aliens. |
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| John Galt | Dec 30 2017, 01:15 PM Post #7 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I think your answer is more about saber rattling than discussing the issue raised in the article, but I'll try again. I think the presupposition is reasonable, given how deportations have been occurring over the last year (people nabbed when they went in to report at INS offices like they have for years or when they were dropping kids off at school). Getting an accurate count does seem to be the whole point of a census, isn't it? If there is a reason (regardless of what that reason is) that someone will not accurately fill out the survey, then the census will not reflect an accurate count. Wouldn't the census bureau be shirking its duty if it wasn't trying to ensure that it gets the count right? Edited by John Galt, Dec 30 2017, 01:17 PM.
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| Jolly | Dec 30 2017, 01:24 PM Post #8 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I think the nation is shirking its duty by spending tax dollars on illegal aliens within its borders. Every school lunch, every medical service proffered, every school book issued, every dime spent on illegals means a dime that cannot be spent to improve schools, housing for the poor or food for the nation's indigent. Congressional seats and federal grants should not be predicated on the number of illegals within a state, but should be predicated on the citizens of a state. If a question on the Census makes them uncomfortable, good. If it makes them so fearful they will not answer, fine. If it disturbs them so much, they pack their bags and go back home, wonderful! |
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| Horace | Dec 30 2017, 01:30 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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What delicious anecdote!
Sure. You want an accurate count of what people self-report as. Self-reporting is all the rage these days you know. John. |
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| Davis | Dec 30 2017, 02:26 PM Post #10 |
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Fulla-Carp
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The census included citizenship until 1950 and other surveys are used to determine citizenship and are adminstered routinely. The census seems like the best way to do it but if not Teh convoluted ways will still suffice. |
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| John Galt | Dec 30 2017, 02:52 PM Post #11 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Davis gets it in one. eta: Though I'm not sure the other way is more convoluted. In the generally useless but kind of interesting category...you can take a look at how the questions change over time: https://www.census.gov/history/www/through_the_decades/index_of_questions/ Edited by John Galt, Dec 30 2017, 03:04 PM.
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| George K | Dec 30 2017, 04:14 PM Post #12 |
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I'm too lazy to look up the details of the proposed and past laws. However, let me ask a philosophical question: Should it not be in the best interest of the government to know who lives within its borders? Should it not be in its interest to also know who are citizens (and merit representation) and who are not? |
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| John Galt | Dec 30 2017, 04:44 PM Post #13 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Man, I must not be very clear. Well, except Davis who seemed to understand. 1) Yes, it's reasonable for the government to know that. 2) How that is accomplished is subject to analysis. Apparently the Justice Department wants to use the census to achieve 1). The article lays out reasons why using the census might not be the right vehicle to do so. Some argue that trying to get this information by including it as a census question might screw up the census, and by extension, other information that is gathered. |
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| John Galt | Dec 30 2017, 04:51 PM Post #14 |
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Fulla-Carp
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(special for Horace: The Census Bureau is interested how the delicious anecdotes affect people's responses.) From the original article, a link to a Census Bureau presentation from November that discusses some of the confidentiality issues in detail. https://www2.census.gov/cac/nac/meetings/2017-11/Meyers-NAC-Confidentiality-Presentation.pdf (Also for Horace - And they've spent a lot of time and tax dollars trying to figure out ways to get accurate self-reported data - here's version 3 of their 2020 census operational report) https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/program-management/planning-docs/2020-oper-plan3.pdf Edited by John Galt, Dec 30 2017, 05:25 PM.
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| Jolly | Dec 30 2017, 05:04 PM Post #15 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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For reasons stated above, I don't think it's germane for the government to allocate resources based on illegals, therefore their willingness to answer should only count as an enumeration tactic. |
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| Copper | Dec 30 2017, 06:40 PM Post #16 |
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Shortstop
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If you are here illegally then I hope the answer is yes. |
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| Larry | Dec 30 2017, 07:56 PM Post #17 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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What matters more to you, accommodating illegal aliens and f*cking up the census in the process, or getting an accurate census so that legal citizens are represented properly? |
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