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Low back pain
Topic Started: Dec 28 2017, 12:59 PM (507 Views)
Axtremus
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Has anyone recommend that Klaus goes to a chiropractor yet?
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George K
Dec 28 2017, 02:37 PM
Sitting at the piano is good. Presumably your posture is good when you do that. Perhaps consider a stool, or something like that, for work which will encourage good posture.

I've also heard great things about standing desks.
A standing desk with a treadmill is fantastic. Steps galore on a busy work day!
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Axtremus
Dec 28 2017, 06:21 PM
Has anyone recommend that Klaus goes to a chiropractor yet?
I use one.

Occasionally, it helps.
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Klaus

Hope your back pain resolves itself soon. And seriously, once you've healed up, start doing core exercises so it won't happen again.

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Axtremus
Dec 28 2017, 06:21 PM
Has anyone recommend that Klaus goes to a chiropractor yet?
:hair:

I'd prefer a treatment with evidence that it works.
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Klaus
Dec 29 2017, 01:41 AM
Axtremus
Dec 28 2017, 06:21 PM
Has anyone recommend that Klaus goes to a chiropractor yet?
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I'd prefer a treatment with evidence that it works.
There's good evidence that chiropractors make people *feel* better. When my back was acting up, I saw one. The heat, massage, electrical stimulation all had me feeling better by the time I left the office.

Now, how long that good feeling lasts is an entirely different question - usually, not very.

As a point of fact, even if I didn't have back pain, and went to have some heat, massage, etc., I'd probably leave the office feeling better than when I walked in.
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I had one time when I went to one and he actually fixed the problem immediately. More often no relief.
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I had one perfect experience with a chiropractor in high school. I injured my neck badly during a football workout. I couldn’t move my head from a single position without extreme pain. Unfortunately that position was left ear on my left shoulder.

My mother drove me right to a chiropractor. He laid me down, put both hands under my neck, felt around with his fingers for about a minute, then suddenly went “pop” and something fell back in place. I immediately got up and had full use of my neck with no pain. It was like magic.


My view is that there are a select few things they can do very well, and a bunch of stuff that’s more likely just a placebo effect.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Never been to a chiropractor. I don't go to see a doctor often either for that matter.
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https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-end-of-chiropractic/

In other words, it's all BS.
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Dec 29 2017, 05:16 AM
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When chiropractors use spinal manipulation therapy for symptomatic relief of mechanical low back pain, they are employing an evidence-based method also used by physical therapists, doctors of osteopathy, and others.
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When they do “chiropractic adjustments” to correct a “subluxation” for other conditions, especially for non-musculoskeletal conditions or “health maintenance,” they are employing a non-scientific belief system that is no longer viable.
Which is, basically, what I said. You feel better because of what they do. Going in, knowing that "subluxation" is BS, is still nice - you get a back rub, massage, etc.

The real danger of chiropractic is when they start treating things like heart disease, cancers, etc.
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Klaus
Dec 29 2017, 05:16 AM
Don't knock it until you've tried it.

It doesn't work all the time, but sometimes it does. When you're hurting, and there is something that either gives you immediate relief or lessons the pain, is it quackery?

Chiropractors don't work for everything. But for some back and neck related pain they work. A few years ago, I had some pain in the upper back where you hurt to breathe​. I went to the guy I see occasionally, and he massaged the shoulder and back some, and the he told me...

"Look, I can rub on you and put some heat on you and you really won't get any better. Or I can fix your problem and it's going to hurt when I do it. Which do you want?"

I chose to try to fix the problem. He was right, hurt like a sumbitch when he popped things back in. But other than muscle soreness, the pain was gone and that problem hasn't happened again in years.

So...Being skeptical is good, for there are charlatans in that field, but sometimes they can really help.
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You feel better because of what they do. Going in, knowing that "subluxation" is BS, is still nice - you get a back rub, massage, etc.


But I also feel better if I get a back rub from my wifemistress.
Edited by Klaus, Dec 29 2017, 05:41 AM.
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Klaus
Dec 29 2017, 05:39 AM
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You feel better because of what they do. Going in, knowing that "subluxation" is BS, is still nice - you get a back rub, massage, etc.


But I also feel better if I get a back rub from my wifemistress.
If I can get her to do it, that is. :lol2:
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Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
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Jolly
Dec 29 2017, 05:37 AM
It doesn't work all the time, but sometimes it does. When you're hurting, and there is something that either gives you immediate relief or lessons the pain, is it quackery?
Individual experiences don't matter. Who tells you that the pain wouldn't have disappeared anyway, due to other factors ?

If it works, then it can be shown to work in real studies. But nobody managed to do that.
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Dec 29 2017, 05:46 AM
Jolly
Dec 29 2017, 05:37 AM
It doesn't work all the time, but sometimes it does. When you're hurting, and there is something that either gives you immediate relief or lessons the pain, is it quackery?
Individual experiences don't matter. Who tells you that the pain wouldn't have disappeared anyway, due to other factors ?

If it works, then it can be shown to work in real studies. But nobody managed to do that.
People are individuals. It's called the Art of Medicine, not the Science, because what works for one does not work for all. And even with all of their study and training, M.D.s certainly make mistakes or simply guess wrong.

I've seen them bury quite a few of their mistakes.

Medicine is a science, but because it deals with people, it is a most inexact science at times.

As I have said, chiropractic does not cure the common cold or a littany of other ills. It doesn't even help what it is designed to help, sometimes. And there are some back conditions where it is impossible to supply relief without surgical intervention by a M.D. But...Sometimes it works and it works well.

Right now, you have two problems...1)You have a very closed mind and 2)You don't hurt bad enough.
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When chiropractors use spinal manipulation therapy for symptomatic relief of mechanical low back pain, they are employing an evidence-based method also used by physical therapists, doctors of osteopathy, and others.


So according to your own link, it isn’t all BS. The above sounds like what happened to me.


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And without the subluxation, the whole rationale for chiropractic collapses, leaving chiropractors no justifiable place in modern medical care except as competitors of physical therapists in providing treatment of certain musculoskeletal conditions.


He tells us there’s no justification while simultaneously providing that justification, all in the same sentence. That’s a neat trick.


It’s nice to know that for 10 times the price and after probably a week waiting for an appointment, or 20 times the price and spending hours in an ER, I could have duplicated what the Chiropractor did within 10 minutes of walking in to his office with no appointment. But no thanks.

In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Jolly, are you "close minded" with respect to astrology? If so, why?
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They keep lots of people entertained. What’s not to like?
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Dec 29 2017, 06:20 AM
They keep lots of people entertained. What’s not to like?
Just like chiropractors ;)
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Again, your link says otherwise. Read my previous post.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Dec 28 2017, 01:54 PM
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Dec 28 2017, 01:23 PM
low back strains are a result of weak abdominals. put some crunches into your life.
Sometimes - but can also be related to spinal curvature or other issues. Hang in there, Klaus. I've paid my dues in the back pain club. It helps to know the cause before finding a therapeutic intervention.
I stand corrected. I should have said in most cases.
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Dec 28 2017, 02:26 PM
No back problems, and I don't need to do crunches... I can already pick up Nobody's Sock and throw him over a fence.......
That will definitely throw out your back! Only 230 pounds.
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Dec 29 2017, 06:23 AM
Again, your link says otherwise. Read my previous post.
The link says that the essence of what they do is BS but they have also adopted a few bread crumbs of good things from others.

It's like when an astrologer relays the weather forecast he heard on the radio to you.
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