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Andrew Sullivan: Can Democracy survive tribalism?
Topic Started: Sep 26 2017, 11:17 AM (281 Views)
jon-nyc
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Longish but well worth the read.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/can-democracy-survive-tribalism.html

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Jolly
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The story on the right side column may be even better...

https://www.thecut.com/2017/09/worst-sex-story-lost-condom.html
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Luke's Dad
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Earmarked for later. jon, don't let me forget to read this.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Jolly
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Conservatives bad, liberals good. In order for the nation to survive, the conservatives must recognize their sinful tribalism and liberals must magnanimously forgive conservatives of their sin.

And y'all bitch about some of the stuff I post? Two-bit thinking in an intelligentsia wrapper is just real purdy two-bit thinking.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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jon-nyc
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Wow, what a ****ty interpretation, Jolly.


Here's what he has to say about the leftist academic intellectual climate:

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Here's what he has to say about the left's misuse of the words 'hate' and 'white supremacy' and the increasing use of internet bullying and ostracism on the left:

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Here's what he has to say about Ta Nehisi Coates and the absurd misuse of 'white supremacy':

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Jolly
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jon-nyc
Sep 26 2017, 12:24 PM
Wow, what a ****ty interpretation, Jolly.


Here's what he has to say about the leftist academic intellectual climate:

Put under spoiler for readability of the post


Here's what he has to say about the left's misuse of the words 'hate' and 'white supremacy' and the increasing use of internet bullying and ostracism on the left:

Spoiler: click to toggle




Here's what he has to say about Ta Nehisi Coates and the absurd misuse of 'white supremacy':

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Nah, thought those two sentences summed up his attitude pretty well. He can't help himself. everytime he reels off a decent paragraph or two, he then throws in a sentence where you know he thinks his side is right, and he's just peering over the top of his glasses at you. He decries tribalism, while not realizing he is just as infected as many of his friends.

It's not nearly as complicated as Mr. Sullivan would make it, in his thousands of words. The country is splintering because we have insulated ourselves from shared experiences, we have no common goals, little common society and no common enemies. Every man has become his own king and he's smarter than the guy he's standing next to. And it's not going to change. Not until we have a great crisis that demands we come together as a nation and so many of these little niggling problems we have are finally seen as something not worth wasting out time on.

We are going to lose this republic because people cannot put the interests of society and the country above their personal selves, not because of not being able to function outside of the tribe.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Jolly
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Ok, just because I don't agree with Jon on his opinion of Mr. Sullivan's column, does not mean it is not worth the read. Read, digest and give your own opinion...
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Steve Miller
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Good article. Highly recommended no matter which tribe you like.
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...as a nation and so many of these little niggling problems ... not worth wasting our time on.

I don't need to read. You are a racist, as much as you try to hide it with misspelled words.
I even quoted you, every word I quoted is yours, so no denying it. Bigoted and racist, that's your deplorable tribe, mister.

Ta-daa!!

That's the new contemporary journalist in me, I understand how to do it -- how to use "facts" these days to support a clearly indisputable accusation. :silly:

You're toast, mister. Oops, sorry. I typed "toast." My bad.
That's clearly a microaggression. Guess I have not perfected my usage of facts yet.

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Rainman
Sep 26 2017, 04:30 PM
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...as a nation and so many of these little niggling problems ... not worth wasting our time on.

I don't need to read. You are a racist, as much as you try to hide it with misspelled words.
I even quoted you, every word I quoted is yours, so no denying it. Bigoted and racist, that's your deplorable tribe, mister.

Ta-daa!!

That's the new contemporary journalist in me, I understand how to do it -- how to use "facts" these days to support a clearly indisputable accusation. :silly:

You're toast, mister. Oops, sorry. I typed "toast." My bad.
That's clearly a microaggression. Guess I have not perfected my usage of facts yet.

You should read it.
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Horace
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I liked it. It's nice to see these sorts of ideas entering the main stream.
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Steve Miller
Sep 26 2017, 09:04 PM
Rainman
Sep 26 2017, 04:30 PM
Quote:
 
...as a nation and so many of these little niggling problems ... not worth wasting our time on.

I don't need to read. You are a racist, as much as you try to hide it with misspelled words.
I even quoted you, every word I quoted is yours, so no denying it. Bigoted and racist, that's your deplorable tribe, mister.

Ta-daa!!

That's the new contemporary journalist in me, I understand how to do it -- how to use "facts" these days to support a clearly indisputable accusation. :silly:

You're toast, mister. Oops, sorry. I typed "toast." My bad.
That's clearly a microaggression. Guess I have not perfected my usage of facts yet.

You should read it.
Jolly, you know I was kidding, right?
Guess I can't be too sure. Sometimes when I think I'm being clever, it does not always come across.

Steve, OK, I'll try to read it. Geesh. I didn't think there would be so much homework.

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Jolly
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Rainman
Sep 26 2017, 09:23 PM
Steve Miller
Sep 26 2017, 09:04 PM
Rainman
Sep 26 2017, 04:30 PM
Quote:
 
...as a nation and so many of these little niggling problems ... not worth wasting our time on.

I don't need to read. You are a racist, as much as you try to hide it with misspelled words.
I even quoted you, every word I quoted is yours, so no denying it. Bigoted and racist, that's your deplorable tribe, mister.

Ta-daa!!

That's the new contemporary journalist in me, I understand how to do it -- how to use "facts" these days to support a clearly indisputable accusation. :silly:

You're toast, mister. Oops, sorry. I typed "toast." My bad.
That's clearly a microaggression. Guess I have not perfected my usage of facts yet.

You should read it.
Jolly, you know I was kidding, right?
Guess I can't be too sure. Sometimes when I think I'm being clever, it does not always come across.

Steve, OK, I'll try to read it. Geesh. I didn't think there would be so much homework.

I thought it was quite obvious.
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John D'Oh
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Sep 26 2017, 09:23 PM
Jolly, you know I was kidding, right?
I'm sorry, but that excuse won't work here.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Davis
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Jon. Thanks for the link. I read it twice, skimming which is the thing tribal people do to find confirming or non confirming statements snuffs the value.

I remember a time when our political parties were embattled and people ran with a bare mention of affiliation. It was thought they were an endangered species. Man did they over achieve in correcting the problem.

Also I thought we were better than parliamentary style governments with multiple parties, but the examples in the article gave me pause.

At least here the two tribes still talk, even when rattling each other's cages. I'm other milieu's it has gotten much more toxic.

From a physiological point of view I think the serotonin release for being truly partisan must be too tempting. Bashing the other side seems to provide a OxyContin chewing release.
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Luke's Dad
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I wouldn't be ao tribal if the other side wasn't brain dead libtards that want to destroy our way of life. They all have mental disorders.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Larry
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That's true.
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jon-nyc
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Sep 27 2017, 08:06 AM
I wouldn't be ao tribal if the other side wasn't brain dead libtards that want to destroy our way of life. They all have mental disorders.
Ok I laughed out loud reading this. After I did a double take on the avatar.
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jon-nyc
Sep 27 2017, 08:14 AM
Luke's Dad
Sep 27 2017, 08:06 AM
I wouldn't be ao tribal if the other side wasn't brain dead libtards that want to destroy our way of life. They all have mental disorders.
Ok I laughed out loud reading this. After I did a double take on the avatar.
:silly:
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What Sullivan didn't say is that in our own Middle East conflict, the media wins as it is arming both sides.
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John D'Oh
Sep 27 2017, 03:59 AM
Rainman
Sep 26 2017, 09:23 PM
Jolly, you know I was kidding, right?
I'm sorry, but that excuse won't work here.
:lol2:
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Larry
Sep 27 2017, 08:12 AM
That's true.
says the leader of the Pokatwat tribe. lol!
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