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| What does an anthem represent? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 25 2017, 08:23 PM (182 Views) | |
| xenon | Sep 25 2017, 08:23 PM Post #1 |
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This whole kerfuffle got me thinking. What does an anthem represent? Is it first and foremost an homage to a country's military? Or is it some sort of ode to shared values? As a Canadian - we have a proud military heritage - but the military is a pretty small part of our national identity. I don't immediately associate the anthem with Canadian Forces (even though I suppose there is talk of standing en guard in it). Edited by xenon, Sep 25 2017, 08:24 PM.
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| Horace | Sep 25 2017, 08:25 PM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It's less about what the anthem represents than it is about what sitting for it represents. It's an intentional insult and it paints with the broadest possible brush. |
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| xenon | Sep 25 2017, 08:31 PM Post #3 |
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Well - I think it does (or could) matter. If you believe in values like "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" or "free speech" or "the right to bear arms" - whatever, choose a value that's dear to you. Then lets say - you truly believe that the country is falling short of a key value (let's say Obama actually confiscated all guns - hypothetical). Obama confiscated all guns - and somehow there wasn't some sort of insurrection - and it seems like the decision has just somehow become the norm. If you're an avid hunter + NFL player - would you be justified in taking the knee or showing some sort of form of protest during the Anthem? Or do you just plain not disrespect the anthem - because that represents the ideals and not the execution of those ideals? Edited by xenon, Sep 25 2017, 08:32 PM.
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| Horace | Sep 25 2017, 09:01 PM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I've heard of people burning the flag, and now I've seen people sitting for the anthem. I've yet to agree with the reasons for them doing so. In your example, we'd have some massive, society-wide issues to deal with in the (attempted) enforcement of a gun ban. Sitting for the anthem would be a non-thing, in comparison. The attention sitting for the anthem is getting, is about on par with the attention we pay the occasional shooting of a black person by a non-black police officer. I personally agree with our society, that the two things are at about the same level of social importance. |
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| Klaus | Sep 26 2017, 12:25 AM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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A national anthem is the audio equivalent of the flag. As an additional bonus, some anthems are pretty good songs (my favourite anthems: French and Russian (the traditional one)). |
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| George K | Sep 26 2017, 03:44 AM Post #6 |
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I like that analogy. |
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| Luke's Dad | Sep 26 2017, 03:57 AM Post #7 |
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By the way, anybody read the third verse that Key wrote? That's an eye opener. |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 26 2017, 06:52 AM Post #8 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Don't tell my cousin who has served in the Canadian army all his life it does not represent he and his fellow soldiers. You won't like the tongue lashing you will get. He will set you straight on that right away. |
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| xenon | Sep 26 2017, 07:32 AM Post #9 |
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Didn't say that. I said it's not my first association. The Canadian Forces are very highly respected in Canada - they typically spend a large chunk of their time helping people around the world and home. Edited by xenon, Sep 26 2017, 07:33 AM.
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 26 2017, 08:52 AM Post #10 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Yes, they are now trying to say it is racist because it uses the word slave. If you read it carefully you will see that it refers to the British forces, not Americans. And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. |
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| Copper | Sep 26 2017, 08:55 AM Post #11 |
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Shortstop
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Mr. Key used the word slave? What is wrong with that guy? He must be some kind of sicko. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 26 2017, 09:23 AM Post #12 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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That's not the point, though. The point is that this is what identity politics does—it always needs another target. There needs to be something else to complain about, some great oppressor to take down. It's co-dependency dressed up as outrage. If it wasn't the anthem it'd just be something else. |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 26 2017, 10:17 AM Post #13 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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True enough, but in this case it is just plain wrong from the git-go. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 26 2017, 10:27 AM Post #14 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Yeah, well, it's gonna get even more wrong as they move on to other targets. |
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