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"Rocket Man."
Topic Started: Sep 21 2017, 10:23 AM (207 Views)
George K
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NASA center director: If Trump pivots to the Moon, we’re “set up” to do it
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In recent years, the space center has also played a central role in preparing for and publicizing NASA's "Journey to Mars," the poorly funded effort by the agency to send humans to the red planet in the 2030s. Orion has been touted as a centerpiece of this strategy, and astronauts have talked about using what they've learned on the station and applying it toward going to Mars.

Now, however, key Trump appointees are beginning to talk about sending humans to the Moon before Mars. The administration's choice to serve as executive secretary of the National Space Council, Scott Pace, favors a return to the Moon. So does Trump's choice to lead NASA, Jim Bridenstine. It seems likely that, at some point, NASA's human destination will switch from "Mars" to the "Moon, then Mars," echoing the space policy first established during the administration of George W. Bush.

Earlier this month, on the 55th anniversary of President John F. Kennedy's Moon speech at Rice University, Ochoa appeared on a stage at the university alongside Apollo 13 astronaut Fred Haise. The director of the Rice Space Institute, David Alexander, asked Ochoa how Johnson Space Center would react to such a change in direction.

"If we do see an administration that decides to make a little bit of a turn and focus a little bit more on the Moon, I think we're very well set up to do it," Ochoa replied. "It's not at all incompatible with what we're doing," she added.
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I'm wouldn't be surprised to see NASA focus on the moon - for whatever reason.
The U.S./NASA hasn't had a vessel to send people or objects into space for some time now, and has to pay Russia to send everything.

With Space-X (and some others, to a lesser extent) now making private space travel affordable and realistic for NASA, I have no doubt that they'll happily contract with these folks to take some NASA folks to the moon, while the same companies focus themselves on Mars.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Elon Musk beat NASA to Mars (though, they'll probably be a part of his private mission at some level).

Maybe Trump's getting excited about the Moon because he wants to go mine some Helium3! :D
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Now, however, key Trump appointees are beginning to talk about sending humans to the Moon before Mars.


Gee, whatever put that idea in their heads?

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Trying to redirect Rocket Man no doubt. :lol2:
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Mark
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It make so much more sense to put a base on the moon and to develop it into a launch pad to Mars and beyond. If the current body of evidence that frozen water exists on the moon, proves out, and we can develop the required resources to get to it, the moon could then produce fuel and of course the base could be powered 100% on solar.

Then we learn from any mistakes made and we're a lot closer to home to mount rescue missions, etc.

After all that is going well, build a launch pad to mars but put it on the moon and save tons and tons of fuel and money.
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KlavierBauer
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The best solar energy on the moon is H3, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us go for some of it.
Though - all this talk makes me think of Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" and the movie "Moon."
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In 100 years, there will be a debate over earth mass. Those that say that removing mass from earth and distributing it to the moon and mars is not what is changing the earth's orbit causing it to spiral into the sun in 20,407 years. Those that say the decrease in mass IS the cause -- well, frankly, in my opinion, then they can just go to the moon and mars and bring the millions of pounds all back.

I am so far ahead of the progressives, this climate change thing is not worth my valuable time.
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Sep 21 2017, 11:41 AM
In 100 years, there will be a debate over earth mass. Those that say that removing mass from earth and distributing it to the moon and mars is not what is changing the earth's orbit causing it to spiral into the sun in 20,407 years. Those that say the decrease in mass IS the cause -- well, frankly, in my opinion, then they can just go to the moon and mars and bring the millions of pounds all back.

I am so far ahead of the progressives, this climate change thing is not worth my valuable time.
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Great. Like I don't have enough to worry about. <_<

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Sep 21 2017, 11:41 AM
In 100 years, there will be a debate over earth mass. Those that say that removing mass from earth and distributing it to the moon and mars is not what is changing the earth's orbit causing it to spiral into the sun in 20,407 years. Those that say the decrease in mass IS the cause -- well, frankly, in my opinion, then they can just go to the moon and mars and bring the millions of pounds all back.

I am so far ahead of the progressives, this climate change thing is not worth my valuable time.
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Not to worry, it's a closed system - the only time the net mass changes between the two is during transit time - as long as we replace the lost off mass on earth with the same amount added to the moon (adjusted for gravity ( I almost said adjusted for inflation)) we'll be just fine!
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jon-nyc
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Hell, adjust it for inflation too. You can never be too safe with these things.
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Klaus
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Sep 21 2017, 01:03 PM
Hell, adjust it for inflation too. You can never be too safe with these things.
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KlavierBauer
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See guys?
Aren't you happy I'm hear to help you think through these things?!
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You guys think you know so much. You know nothing.

I explained in lay terms the effect of decreasing mass on orbits, but indeed forgot to mention the squashmongering effect from the gravitational forces producing the ellipse when forced to acquiesce to the perfection of circularity.

Why aren't orbits circular then, you may ask? Well, it's because over countless millennia, apples fell from trees causing an equal reaction gravitationaleze speaking. Why elliptical, you ask? Because apples are seasonal, they do not fall at the same rate year-round (apples BTW - a Newton invention, after the fig). Over time (millennia), the orbit becomes an ellipse.

This all would never have occurred, if the world would have been left flat, as it was originally designed.

OK, now you can go back to your feeble attempts in describing Basic Learnable Materials (acronym BLM - certainly you have seen the signs).
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Sep 21 2017, 01:38 PM
You guys think you know so much. You know nothing.

I explained in lay terms the effect of decreasing mass on orbits, but indeed forgot to mention the squashmongering effect from the gravitational forces producing the ellipse when forced to acquiesce to the perfection of circularity.

Why aren't orbits circular then, you may ask? Well, it's because over countless millennia, apples fell from trees causing an equal reaction gravitationaleze speaking. Why elliptical, you ask? Because apples are seasonal, they do not fall at the same rate year-round (apples BTW - a Newton invention, after the fig). Over time (millennia), the orbit becomes an ellipse.
Oh, right! I totally forgot about this in my own calculations.

I concede defeat.
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Sep 21 2017, 10:31 AM
Trying to redirect Rocket Man no doubt. :lol2:
I prefer to refer to him as Rocket Boy. :smokin:
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“Rocket Man” is the nick name of North Korea’s Kim Jong-un.

Giving the moon priority before Mars could be a good decision by Trump.

There’s a lot of Helium-3 on the moon but very little on Earth. Helium-3 will be needed if and when nuclear fusion becomes a reality. We might as well start making plans to mine it from the moon before Russian and China do. Concerning Mars: it’s a nine month journey to Mars one way. That’s way too long a journey for people. I think we should first develop faster space craft to get them there in less time.
Edited by Qaanaaq-Liaaq, Sep 21 2017, 03:49 PM.
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I think the idea of building a moon base is pretty awesome, and I think it's possible/probable. :thumb:
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