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Topic Started: Sep 13 2017, 08:49 AM (579 Views)
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anybody who has an extra $1000 laying around to feed the Apple machine must also have enough money to pay my electric bill this month. Please?? Only $600.
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Nobody's Sock
Sep 15 2017, 01:59 PM
anybody who has an extra $1000 laying around to feed the Apple machine must also have enough money to pay my electric bill this month. Please?? Only $600.
Under the right circumstances, feeding $1000 to Apple may be legitimately tax deductible. Would paying your electric bill this month confers any tax benefit?
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Nobody's Sock
Sep 15 2017, 01:59 PM
anybody who has an extra $1000 laying around to feed the Apple machine must also have enough money to pay my electric bill this month. Please?? Only $600.
Is it worth $150 more than the high-end Samsung phone?

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Maybe.

I just ordered the iPhone 8. That price was $150 cheaper than the Samsung. Probably an equivalent model.
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Oh, and you pay $600 a month for electricity? Whoa.
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Sep 15 2017, 02:06 PM
Oh, and you pay $600 a month for electricity? Whoa.
That's not all that expensive, I'm sure it's very high quality electricity.
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Sep 15 2017, 02:16 PM
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Sep 15 2017, 02:06 PM
Oh, and you pay $600 a month for electricity? Whoa.
That's not all that expensive, I'm sure it's very high quality electricity.
We have the best electricity! It's of the highest voltage.

Let me tell you about the month of August here in the Central Valley. An inferno it was, and it bled well into this month. We are finally back to normal and it feels divine at 85.

Swimming pool, hot tub, 2 roommates who never knew that a closed window or door helps keep the house cool, no solar panel thingies on my roof, and most of all California!! The golden state! They take my gold every month they do.
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Swimming pool could not help cool you down?
Was the water hot from too many high temperature days?
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Sep 15 2017, 02:39 PM
Swimming pool could not help cool you down?
Was the water hot from too many high temperature days?
Yes, the pool became a tepid bathtub for a while. Much nicer now
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Sep 15 2017, 02:06 PM
Oh, and you pay $600 a month for electricity? Whoa.
Doesn't everybody?

That's about three month's worth, right?
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Sep 15 2017, 02:36 PM
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Sep 15 2017, 02:06 PM
Oh, and you pay $600 a month for electricity? Whoa.
That's not all that expensive, I'm sure it's very high quality electricity.
We have the best electricity! It's of the highest voltage.

Let me tell you about the month of August here in the Central Valley. An inferno it was, and it bled well into this month. We are finally back to normal and it feels divine at 85.

Swimming pool, hot tub, 2 roommates who never knew that a closed window or door helps keep the house cool, no solar panel thingies on my roof, and most of all California!! The golden state! They take my gold every month they do.
Move to Colorado or Texas.

Everybody else in California has.
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Sep 16 2017, 03:13 AM
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Sep 15 2017, 02:36 PM
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Sep 15 2017, 02:16 PM
George K
Sep 15 2017, 02:06 PM
Oh, and you pay $600 a month for electricity? Whoa.
That's not all that expensive, I'm sure it's very high quality electricity.
We have the best electricity! It's of the highest voltage.

Let me tell you about the month of August here in the Central Valley. An inferno it was, and it bled well into this month. We are finally back to normal and it feels divine at 85.

Swimming pool, hot tub, 2 roommates who never knew that a closed window or door helps keep the house cool, no solar panel thingies on my roof, and most of all California!! The golden state! They take my gold every month they do.
Move to Colorado or Texas.

Everybody else in California has.
My birth mother and brother and Nona all live in colorado. Boulder. Just visited 4th of july. I could live in Boulder for sure. It wouldn't be much of a house though, real estate is through the roof there.
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What would the iphone X have cost in ... 1957.

Consider the 256 GB memory iPhone X: Implemented in vacuum tubes in 1957, the transistors in an iPhoneX alone would have:

  • cost 150 trillion of today's dollars: one and a half times today's global annual product
  • taken up a hundred-story square building 300 meters high, and 3 kilometers long and wide
  • drawn 150 terawatts of power—30 times the world's current generating capacity
iPhoneX:
  • 4.3 billion transistors in the A-11 https://www.apple.com/iphone-8/#a11
  • 2,199,023,255,552 bits in the 256 GB memory—each of which needs a transistor (and a capacitor)
  • Let's say 2.5 trillion transistors...
  • And you can buy 256 GB of memory for $100—of which, say, 1/4 is the cost of a transistor.
  • So, say, 125 dollars' worth of transistors in an iPhoneX
How much would it have cost you to buy a vacuum tube sixty years ago, back in 1957?

Well, in 1959 you could buy a one-byte—8-bit—Phister 366 for 65 dollars http://jcmit.net/memoryprice.htm
  • So, say, 8 dollars a bit.
    • 8 dollars in 1957 is 60 dollars today via the GDP deflator https://www.measuringworth.com/
    • 8 dollars in 1957 is 160 dollars today as a share of U.S. nominal GDP per capita
    • 8 dollars in 1957 is 320 dollars today as a share of U.S. nominal GDP
The transistors in an iPhoneX would, back in the late 1950s, implemented in vacuum tubes, have:
  • cost 150 trillion of today's dollars, which is:
    • one and a half times today's global annual product,
    • more than seven times today's U.S. annual national product
    • forty times 1957's U.S. national product
    • fourteen times 1957's global annual product
[*]taken up 100 billion square meters of floor space
  • that is (with a three-meter ceiling height per floor): a hundred-story square building 300 meters high, and 3 kilometers long and wide


Oh. And clock speed. The AN/FSQ-7 operated at 75khz. The A-11 is a 6-core 24 mhz processor:
  • 2000 100 billion square meter buildings, each a hundred-stories—300 meters high—and 3 kilometers long and wide
  • 3000 times today's global annual product
  • 300 petawatts of power—60,000 time sthe world's currnet generating capacity
for the late-1950s vacuum tubes to match one iPhoneX...

And we haven't even gotten started on the hardware architecture, or on the software and maintenance support necessary to emulate an iPhoneX at speed back in the late 1950s...
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Well all I can say is it's damn lucky the iPhone was invented when it was, instead of back in 1957!
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Sep 16 2017, 01:47 PM
The A-11 is a 6-core 24 mhz processor:
That sounds wrong. Got a source?
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By the way, the public image of those Apple processors is much better than the reality. Clever marketing.

For instance, take those "Geekbench" benchmarks that are floating around which supposedly show that an iPhone is faster than a modern laptop.

They are utter BS, as noticed by Linus Torvalds and many others.

For instance, they have highly weighted benchmark components that have special hardware support in that particular processor (cryptography stuff) which must be done in software on other processors.

If you'd be able to install Windows or OS X on an iPhone, everybody would be highly disappointed by the performance.
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Klaus
Sep 16 2017, 02:03 PM
George K
Sep 16 2017, 01:47 PM
The A-11 is a 6-core 24 mhz processor:
That sounds wrong. Got a source?
http://www.zdnet.com/article/inside-apples-new-a11-bionic-processor/
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The A11 Bionic - yes, that's its real name - is a 64-bit, 6-core processor (two performance cores, and four high-efficiency cores) that Apple claims is the "most powerful and smartest chip ever in a smartphone."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A11
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The A11 features an Apple-designed 64-bit ARMv8-A six-core CPU, with two high-performance cores, called Monsoon, and four energy-efficient cores, called Mistral.[1][4][2] The A11 uses a new second-generation performance controller, which permits the A11 to use all six cores simultaneously,[6] unlike its predecessor the A10.
I can't find anything about the speed of the processor.
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I don't doubt the 6 cores, but 24mhz sounds much too low. The predecessor, the A10, had something like 2 Ghz.

Unless it's a completely different processor architecture I'd expect the clock speed to be in the 2-3 Ghz range.
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Klaus
Sep 16 2017, 02:18 PM
If you'd be able to install Windows or OS X on an iPhone, everybody would be highly disappointed by the performance.
Isn't that an unfair comparison? OS is frequently optimized for the chip on which it runs, isn't it?

How fast would iOS, or Android run on an Intel chip?
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Klaus
Sep 16 2017, 02:20 PM
I don't doubt the 6 cores, but 24mhz sounds much too low. The predecessor, the A10, had something like 2 Ghz.

Unless it's a completely different processor architecture I'd expect the clock speed to be in the 2-3 Ghz range.
Yeah, I think that's a misprint.
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Sep 16 2017, 02:19 PM
The A11 Bionic - yes, that's its real name - is a 64-bit, 6-core processor (two performance cores, and four high-efficiency cores) that Apple claims is the "most powerful and smartest chip ever in a smartphone."
WTF is a "performance core" and a "high-efficiency core"?

My guess is that it's basically a 2-core processor, and they count some GPU-related cores (which are completely different) to make it 6 for marketing reasons.
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Sep 16 2017, 02:21 PM
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Sep 16 2017, 02:18 PM
If you'd be able to install Windows or OS X on an iPhone, everybody would be highly disappointed by the performance.
Isn't that an unfair comparison? OS is frequently optimized for the chip on which it runs, isn't it?

How fast would iOS, or Android run on an Intel chip?
There are simulators for iOS and Android that run on Macs/PCs, but they are probably not optimized for performance.

Operating systems are to some degree optimized for the chip on which it runs, but it isn't that hard to optimize it for a new chip. For instance, Linux runs fast on routers or raspberry pi, but also on big Intel Xeon workstations.

But for a semi-fair comparison this would not even be needed. They can just take generic number crunching stuff with no special hardware support, with a wide range of kernel sizes such that one can see the effect of cache misses (Linus also criticises Geekbench for only measuring "small kernels" that fit into the small L1 cache of that particular processor, which deliberately cuts off one of the benefits of "bigger" processors, namely that they have bigger caches).
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I don't know if you should even try a fair comparison with a machine built for a different purpose.

Android and iOS simulators on PC and Mac can have very poor performance especially in debugging mode. The Android simulators on my PC are now almost unusable but the PC runs just fine with Windows 10. Same for the iOS simulators on my Mac, but not as bad as Android.

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Sep 14 2017, 04:17 AM
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Sep 14 2017, 03:56 AM
There should be a built in security feature where if you blink really fast or something your phone is disabled.
Just don't enable Face ID. The passcode-based unlocking mechanism will still be there.
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iPhone 8 Is World's Fastest Phone (It's Not Even Close)
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