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iPhone X
Topic Started: Sep 13 2017, 08:49 AM (580 Views)
Copper
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No more Home button, I like the Home button

https://www.apple.com/iphone-x/?cid=CDM-US-DM-P0018233-386372&cp=em-P0018233-386372&sr=em&Email_PageName=P0018233-386372&Email_OID=092209a702473b89009454de6c4be20bc07a2a37fe058943af5b39bbd0f58b32

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iPhone X

Our vision has always been to create an iPhone that is entirely screen. One so immersive the device itself disappears into the experience. And so intelligent it can respond to a tap, your voice, and even a glance. With iPhone X, that vision is now a reality. Say hello to the future.
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jon-nyc
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By the time I'm ready to upgrade, in a few more years, it'll probably work well.
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I don't like using swipes and gestures - but I have found myself using them more and more over the years. (Pulling up the control center to get to the flashlight near my little one's crib at night is second nature now)

I'll wait and see what the initial reviews say on whether or not they nailed the feel/ease on the swipe.

That said - I'm also trying to break myself out of the 2 year upgrade cycle, and trying to descreen myself in general. So theoretically - I shouldn't care.

Also - I don't like a lot of thing about Apple, but I do admire their progressive approach to product development. Being willing to throw out something that works is extremely rare in large organizations. Their mega-success also uniquely enables this - but it is refreshing to see anyways.
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Klaus
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My phone was released three years ago and no reason to upgrade in sight.
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Klaus
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I predict that phones are going to become as boring products as desktop PCs within the next five years.

Apple will shrink to something like Dell.
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jon-nyc
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No, that's when they'll start selling cars.
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Klaus
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I can't help but wonder what Arya Stark would think about the safety of unlocking the iPhone X by the facial recognition.
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I want one. I watched the keynote which also convinced me I need an Apple Watch. But I can't afford a new phone or an Apple Watch. I just bought a 7 Plus in December.
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I definitely need one. I cannot live without it.
If my cell phone died, I would wake up in the morning, bump into walls, stagger around without a clue of who I am or what my purpose was. They would eventually find me in a fetal position on the floor, my index finger desperately swiping across a single floor tile over and over, mumbling "hot spot" in delirium.

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George K
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The iPhone X is very nice...but not, for me, nice *enough* for the premium in cost. My 6S functions fine, and the camera's great. I'll probably upgrade to the 8, handing the 6S down to Mrs. George (who currently has a 5S).

I'll wait for the next cycle to upgrade to what the iPhone X has to offer now.
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Sep 13 2017, 02:18 PM
I can't help but wonder what Arya Stark would think about the safety of unlocking the iPhone X by the facial recognition.

It's not for everyone

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The video camera's supposed to be fantastic.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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jon-nyc
Sep 13 2017, 09:29 AM
By the time I'm ready to upgrade, in a few more years, it'll probably work well.
Yep. Not an early adopter here.
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:People tend to react to what they know and what they are familiar with. I don't see a miss here. Second I hate to say it but baby boomers are no longer the target market, now if it was a next gen CPAP machine your opinions would be very important. :whome:
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Sep 13 2017, 03:42 PM
if it was a next gen CPAP machine your opinions would be very important. :whome:
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George K
Sep 13 2017, 03:15 PM
The iPhone X is very nice...but not, for me, nice *enough* for the premium in cost. My 6S functions fine, and the camera's great. I'll probably upgrade to the 8, handing the 6S down to Mrs. George (who currently has a 5S).

I'll wait for the next cycle to upgrade to what the iPhone X has to offer now.
It's expensive but I don't think it's anymore expensive than my current phone.
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Seen on Facebook: "With FaceID, cops can put you in handcuffs and then point your phone at your face to gain access without a warrant."

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Riley
Sep 13 2017, 11:41 PM
Seen on Facebook: "With FaceID, cops can put you in handcuffs and then point your phone at your face to gain access without a warrant."
No worse than fingerprint access.
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Klaus
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But for a fingerprint sensor, it's sufficient to cut off a finger of the victim. For FaceID you need the head.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the first beheading for the sake of getting access to an iPhone within the next 12 months.
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Sep 14 2017, 02:11 AM
Riley
Sep 13 2017, 11:41 PM
Seen on Facebook: "With FaceID, cops can put you in handcuffs and then point your phone at your face to gain access without a warrant."
No worse than fingerprint access.
Can they physically force you to put on your thumb? With this they just have to hold it up to your face.

There should be a built in security feature where if you blink really fast or something your phone is disabled.
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Riley
Sep 14 2017, 03:56 AM
There should be a built in security feature where if you blink really fast or something your phone is disabled.
Just don't enable Face ID. The passcode-based unlocking mechanism will still be there.
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Another small point on the continued march to totally replace your computer with your phone.

It is inevitable.
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George K
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Riley
Sep 14 2017, 03:56 AM
Can they physically force you to put on your thumb? With this they just have to hold it up to your face.

There should be a built in security feature where if you blink really fast or something your phone is disabled.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/13/us-senator-questions-face-id-privacy-security/

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Just a day after Apple unveiled its new flagship iPhone X equipped with a facial recognition system, United States Senator Al Franken (D-MN), who is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Privacy, Technology, and the Law, sent a letter [PDF] to Apple CEO Tim Cook with some questions on the privacy and the security of the Face ID feature.

Face ID is designed to take a 3D face scan that determines the structure of a person's face and transforms it into a mathematical model for device authentication and unlocking purposes. Apple has said that Face ID is protected by the same Secure Enclave that keeps Touch ID data safe, and that all processing takes place on the device itself with no data uploaded to the cloud. Furthermore, Apple says Face ID can't be fooled by a photo or a mask.

In his letter, Franken raises concerns about how Apple plans to use facial recognition data in the future, the diversity of its training, how Apple will respond to law enforcement requests for Face ID data or the Face ID system, and if it might be fooled by a photo or a mask.
Since the announcement, however, reporters, advocates, and iPhone users have raised concerns about how Face ID could impact Americans' fundamental right to privacy, speculated on the ways in which Apple could use faceprint data in the future, and questioned the quality and security of the technology.

For example, it has previously been reported that many facial recognition systems have a higher rate of error when tested for accuracy in identifying people of color, which may be explained by variety of factors, including a lack of diversity in the faces that were used to train a system. Furthermore, some have expressed concern that the system could be fooled, and thus the device unlocked, by a photo or a mask of the owner of the device.

Franken asks Cook to respond to a series of 10 questions, many of which have already been addressed by Apple. Among the questions:
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- Can Apple extract Face ID data from a device, will Apple ever store Face ID data remotely, and can Apple confirm that it has no plans to use faceprint data for purposes other than Face ID?

- Where did the one billion images that were used to train Face ID come from, and what steps did the company take to ensure the system was trained on a diverse set of faces?

- Does Face ID perpetually search for a face, and does Apple locally retain the raw photos of faces used to unlock the device? Will Apple retain the faceprints of individuals other than the owner of the device?

- What safeguard has Apple implemented to prevent the unlocking of the iPhone X when someone other than the owner holds the device up to the owners face? How does it distinguish a user's face from a photo or mask?

- How will Apple respond to law enforcement requests to access Apple's faceprint data or the Face ID system itself?
Back when Touch ID was first announced as a new feature in the iPhone 5s, Franken sent Cook a similar letter asking for clarification on how the Touch ID feature works.

Franken asks Tim Cook to respond to all of his Face ID questions by October 13, 2017. Apple is not obligated to respond as this is not a subpoena, but the company will likely cooperate with the request for information.
Edited by George K, Sep 14 2017, 07:06 AM.
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Davis
Sep 13 2017, 03:42 PM
Second I hate to say it but baby boomers are no longer the target market, now if it was a next gen CPAP machine your opinions would be very important. :whome:
I think Steve Jobs could have fixed the dry mouth issue...

(Though for the record I'm a GenXer)
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George K
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Riley
Sep 13 2017, 11:41 PM
Seen on Facebook: "With FaceID, cops can put you in handcuffs and then point your phone at your face to gain access without a warrant."
https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/15/will-face-id-work-with-sunglasses/

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Another question raised is how you would prevent a thief from unlocking your phone by making you look at it. There is, it turns out, a simple way to do so.

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If you grip the buttons on both sides of the phone when you hand it over, it will temporarily disable Face ID.

As a short-press of both side-buttons takes a screenshot, you presumably get a screenshot along the way before the longer press kicks in.

Unlike some protective measures, this one seems reasonably realistic if you’re already holding your phone when confronted by a thief. Unless they suddenly snatch it from your hands, you could likely do the long hold surreptitiously as you hand it over, assuming it takes just a second or two.
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