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| A 90% cut in government spending; on advertising. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 1 2017, 04:09 PM (182 Views) | |
| George K | Sep 1 2017, 04:09 PM Post #1 |
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-plans-making-90-percent-cut-obamacare/story?id=49551071
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Jolly | Sep 1 2017, 04:25 PM Post #2 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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If you don't know about Obamacare by now, you're deaf, dumb and blind. Therefore, you should be on disability, not in the workforce. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Copper | Sep 1 2017, 04:33 PM Post #3 |
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The post has been screaming about this. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Steve Miller | Sep 1 2017, 06:21 PM Post #4 |
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Bull-Carp
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Let 'em die? |
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| Copper | Sep 1 2017, 06:30 PM Post #5 |
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Let 'em have a lower national debt, freeing up money for healthcare and other luxuries. And the cronies who get paid to do the advertising can get along just fine on $10 million. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Steve Miller | Sep 1 2017, 06:37 PM Post #6 |
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Bull-Carp
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The national debt - is this something you care about? |
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| Copper | Sep 1 2017, 06:38 PM Post #7 |
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On my top 10 list of things I would like the feds to do that holds all 10 places. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Steve Miller | Sep 1 2017, 07:15 PM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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Cool. I agree. How do you feel about tax cuts? |
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| Jolly | Sep 1 2017, 09:35 PM Post #9 |
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Works for me. How do you feel about spending cuts? |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Steve Miller | Sep 1 2017, 09:49 PM Post #10 |
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Bull-Carp
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Social Security no. Medicare no. Military yes. Everything else is such a small percentage it's hardly worth arguing. |
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| Copper | Sep 2 2017, 07:41 AM Post #11 |
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Cuts are good. But don't touch my Social Security or Medicare. Increase the age for SS, obviously. Just balance the budget and argue about the rest of it. That's what elections are for. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 2 2017, 07:43 AM Post #12 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Oh, I disagree that cutting lots and lots of the smaller programs would have no impact. There are tons of them, and they all have people and they all take administration at every level. You start cutting that nonsense and the debt will start falling. For every program we have the question to ask is is it vital enough to borrow money for. Because that is what we are doing. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Jolly | Sep 2 2017, 07:56 AM Post #13 |
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I don't mind increasing military spending, but I think we really need to review our force and staffing structure. I think in some ways, the Israelis do a better job than we do for the dollar spent on hardware or for the force readiness numbers in case of true national emergency. That's why we need to take a hard look at extending service life of vehicles through modernization programs and why I've long been in favor of 12 months of national service for all 18 year-old young people. I think the Russians have a better handle on some aspects of combat aviation than we do. Our combat aircraft are technologically superior, but they place more emphasis on simplicity, field repair and ability to operate in harsher conditions with less maintenance. I think we may have too many aircraft carriers. I think we may not have enough smaller assault carriers or the aircraft capable of operating off of them. I think we need to be back in the diesel-electric submarine business, especially for hunter-killer subs that operate closer to U.S. shores. And even if we spend more money, I think we need to curtail the roles of private contractors in many military endeavors. The service used to train young men as mechanics, cooks, armorers, etc. Sometimes, spending just a bit more to do such things in-house, provides benefits for the country that aren't immediately always realized, but show up later in civilian life. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Jolly | Sep 2 2017, 08:13 AM Post #14 |
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Cuts? The Department of Education could go tomorrow. Let the states and local government take care of that. Kill Head Start tomorrow, as it has been shown to have no lasting impact. Suspend all acquisition of new federal office space and utilize vacant government buildings wherever possible. If buildings need refurbing, give the Army engineers and Seabees something to do. Cut the House and Senate budgets back to the levels of ten years ago. Require all federal employees to fly coach. If they want an upgrade, they can pay for it out of their own pockets. Since the Civil Rights Division is anything but race-neutral, cut them 20% and subject them to biannual Congressional review. Repeal Bacon-Davis. And that's just getting started.... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| CTPianotech | Sep 2 2017, 08:21 AM Post #15 |
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The military doesn't need 4-5 million n00bs a year, especially if 95% didn't ask for the job... I suspect you know this already, so I'm really curious what you could mean here that doesn't doesn't explicitly conflict with the 13th amendment. |
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| Davis | Sep 2 2017, 08:24 AM Post #16 |
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How about Medicare just growing at the rate of inflation? Or would that be a cut to you? |
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| Catseye3 | Sep 2 2017, 08:34 AM Post #17 |
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| Chocolate doesn't ask silly questions. Chocolate understands. | |
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| Jolly | Sep 2 2017, 08:45 AM Post #18 |
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The Draft is Constitutional. Here's the ruling: http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/nat-sec/selective-draft.htm |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Horace | Sep 2 2017, 08:54 AM Post #19 |
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Why do you think mandatory service would be a good thing, Jolly? |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| Jolly | Sep 2 2017, 09:43 AM Post #20 |
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Multiple reasons... 1. I think a lot of kids don't have a clue at that age. I think a year of service would certainly mature a lot of them and give them a better handle on what and where they want to go in life. 2. Structure. The military is nothing, if not structure. Some freedom, but also responsibility and accountability. 3. Exposure to the work world and the military world. Maybe working in a mess hall isn't your goal in life, but it does teach many of the attributes of the work world. Or maybe you find a kid that loves to work on trucks, or wants to weld or some other vocation that a person can work and learn at the same time. 4. Exposure to other cultures and people. I'm not saying a Georgia cracker and a brother from Chicago are going to be best friends with a Hispanic from L.A. or a Muslim kid from Detroit, but a little melting pot never hurt. A little shared suffering does build camaraderie. 5. Guys don't have to be full-time after Basic. Maybe we could use the National Guard model and let them do a weekend a month for many of them. 6. Public works. Parks need cleaning, grass needs mowing, etc. Again, if we don't have immediate military need, let them do their weekend, or full time after Basic working on Public Works. Maybe we let kids that want to be teachers work as teacher's aides, maybe we let kids that want to be mechanics work in the motor pool, maybe we let the kid who wants to learn how to cook attend some culinary classes and help cook for shelters. Lots of possibilities. 7. A ready reserve. After 6 weeks of Basic, a kid ought to know Chain of Command, basic military courtesy, one end of a weapon from the other and some basic (very basic) military commands and tactics. In the event of immediate call-up in a time of national emergency, retraining is much easier than starting from scratch. 8. Education. The military is pretty good at education. Many of these 18 year-old's will not have a basic high school education. Military challenge programs are generally very successful down here. I suspect they could be the same in this type of service. And...if a kid doesn't do what he is supposed to do while in a basic education program, well, maybe it's time to curtail a few social benefits, possibly for life. I don't expect the impossible, I just expect effort. 9. Advanced education. If a kid wants to take some college courses, give him the opportunity. Again, the military is pretty good at education. I see no reason why during their year of service, a young person couldn't pick get up to 24 hours of college credit in 100 and 200 level courses, either in a classroom or through internet classes. 10. Getting the most out of a voluntary military. Maybe after a year of service, you have a large percentage of people apply to stay in...It allows the military to cherry-pick among the best. It also can set up a feeder pipeline for ROTC programs across the country. Some folks say military intelligence is an oxymoron, but I've met plenty of shrap guys who made the service a career, sometimes a very good career. One of the guys I played high school ball is a two-star. Another retired as a full bird. They've done pretty well. That's what I could come up with on the spur of the moment... |
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| CTPianotech | Sep 2 2017, 10:09 AM Post #21 |
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I understand congress has the power to raise an army...What I'm saying is we have 1.something million active duty, and a few hundred thousand reservists. We don't need 4-5 million kids to show up each year... The massive baby sitting job would be distracting to the actual military mission of the....military. ![]() Unless, your idea is to tell people they're in the armed forces as a way to skirt the 13th, and make them do public works "jobs". Am I understanding you right? |
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| Jolly | Sep 2 2017, 10:23 AM Post #22 |
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Nope, they're in the military, subject to full activation and subject to military discipline. As you said, that's a lot of people and you need something for them to do...Even if it's part-time. |
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| Axtremus | Sep 2 2017, 08:18 PM Post #23 |
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I see many merits to having the entire citizenry going through some sort of basic military training. The only reason I haven't advocate for it is that I haven't sort through the "down side" of doing so. Among other things, as CTPianotech says, I'm not sure what the impact to the US military would be if we make them run a big social program that "babysits" millions of "kids" every year. As it is, the military is contracting out more and more non-combat functions to civilian contractors. Adding a national social/education program to the military may not align with the military's long term development plan (not that I don't think military may have doe too much outsourcing). |
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