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If Black Lives Truly Matter
Topic Started: Aug 31 2017, 03:27 AM (520 Views)
Jolly
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jon-nyc
Aug 31 2017, 07:51 AM
BLM isn't about saving black lives per se, it's about raising the relative status of blacks in society.

So is the NAACP. God knows I think their day is past, but when a disaster strikes, you will see them trying to aid in relief, usually partnered with the Red Cross or another relief organization.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Horace
Aug 31 2017, 08:08 AM
Black skin already gives one remarkable status especially as it relates to social credibility.

I believe that for a person of color raised in a decent home who's willing to actually participate in the grind of middle class (or more!) existence, this country is their oyster.
That's the part over which people are unable to agree. Conservatives will tell you that every hardship a black family has in America either doesn't actually exist or is undeserving of their support. Liberals will tell you that there's no end to one group's responsibility to give and donate to others, because privilege.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Horace
Aug 31 2017, 08:08 AM
Black skin already gives one remarkable status especially as it relates to social credibility.

I believe that for a person of color raised in a decent home who's willing to actually participate in the grind of middle class (or more!) existence, this country is their oyster.
There is some truth to that. Because of past inequities, there are avenues available to sharp, hard-working black kids that might not be available to others. Hurrah for them, if they take advantage of it.

A black lady who worked for me came from a remarkably successful family. Her father was an engineer, her mother held a Masters in social work and was a regional director for the state. The lady who worked for me held a college degree in Biology. Her husband held a Masters in Marketing, her sister held a PhD in Sociology. Her niece has a college degree and works as an event planner for a major hotel, her son is an engineer at Boeing, her daughter has a PharmD.

Most of them went to college loaded with scholarships. Would they have gotten as much aid had they been White or Asian? I don't know, but I think possibly not. I base that knowing what her GPA was and what her kid's ACT scores and GPA's were. Her children's scores and mine were very similar. My children did receive some academic scholarships, but not nearly what her children received. So, yes, I think there does exist some inherent bias in the system. It's just the way it is.

Again, I'm very happy for her kids, they worked hard and they deserve whatever good come their way. They are simply great kids.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Horace
Aug 31 2017, 08:08 AM
Black skin already gives one remarkable status especially as it relates to social credibility.
They're not particularly concerned with opportunities at the individual level, their concern is outcomes at the population level.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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jon-nyc
Aug 31 2017, 08:35 AM
Horace
Aug 31 2017, 08:08 AM
Black skin already gives one remarkable status especially as it relates to social credibility.
They're not particularly concerned with opportunities at the individual level, their concern is outcomes at the population level.
Anybody of any skin color who doesn't very much want outcomes to be statistically identical between black folk and non black folk, is having a very different life experience than mine.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Statistics are simply aggregated individual experiences.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Jolly
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Mikhailoh
Aug 31 2017, 09:08 AM
Statistics are simply aggregated individual experiences.
I dunno, ask Klaus. I try to avoid statistics, as on the average, they make my head hurt...
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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IMO the aggregate is a fine barometer of overall progress, but there is little or nothing to do overall. If the opportunities are there then the question becomes why are they not taking advantage of them. Therein lies the complicated question and the one that white folks cannot possibly fix.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Jolly
Aug 31 2017, 08:22 AM
Horace
Aug 31 2017, 08:08 AM
Black skin already gives one remarkable status especially as it relates to social credibility.

I believe that for a person of color raised in a decent home who's willing to actually participate in the grind of middle class (or more!) existence, this country is their oyster.
There is some truth to that. Because of past inequities, there are avenues available to sharp, hard-working black kids that might not be available to others. Hurrah for them, if they take advantage of it.

A black lady who worked for me came from a remarkably successful family. Her father was an engineer, her mother held a Masters in social work and was a regional director for the state. The lady who worked for me held a college degree in Biology. Her husband held a Masters in Marketing, her sister held a PhD in Sociology. Her niece has a college degree and works as an event planner for a major hotel, her son is an engineer at Boeing, her daughter has a PharmD.

Most of them went to college loaded with scholarships. Would they have gotten as much aid had they been White or Asian? I don't know, but I think possibly not. I base that knowing what her GPA was and what her kid's ACT scores and GPA's were. Her children's scores and mine were very similar. My children did receive some academic scholarships, but not nearly what her children received. So, yes, I think there does exist some inherent bias in the system. It's just the way it is.

Again, I'm very happy for her kids, they worked hard and they deserve whatever good come their way. They are simply great kids.
On the slip side - a few years back I was spending time with some kids from the south side in Chicago.

One in particular, 12 years old boy, told me he had aspirations to be a cop - but he was worried about who he'd have to kill to gain the respect of the police department so they'd let him join. He legitimately thought that was a requirement. And he was trying to be thoughtful.

Is the world this kid's oyster? Did he ever really have a chance? Do we owe this kid something better as a country/society?
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xenon
Aug 31 2017, 08:17 PM
Jolly
Aug 31 2017, 08:22 AM
Horace
Aug 31 2017, 08:08 AM
Black skin already gives one remarkable status especially as it relates to social credibility.

I believe that for a person of color raised in a decent home who's willing to actually participate in the grind of middle class (or more!) existence, this country is their oyster.
There is some truth to that. Because of past inequities, there are avenues available to sharp, hard-working black kids that might not be available to others. Hurrah for them, if they take advantage of it.

A black lady who worked for me came from a remarkably successful family. Her father was an engineer, her mother held a Masters in social work and was a regional director for the state. The lady who worked for me held a college degree in Biology. Her husband held a Masters in Marketing, her sister held a PhD in Sociology. Her niece has a college degree and works as an event planner for a major hotel, her son is an engineer at Boeing, her daughter has a PharmD.

Most of them went to college loaded with scholarships. Would they have gotten as much aid had they been White or Asian? I don't know, but I think possibly not. I base that knowing what her GPA was and what her kid's ACT scores and GPA's were. Her children's scores and mine were very similar. My children did receive some academic scholarships, but not nearly what her children received. So, yes, I think there does exist some inherent bias in the system. It's just the way it is.

Again, I'm very happy for her kids, they worked hard and they deserve whatever good come their way. They are simply great kids.
On the slip side - a few years back I was spending time with some kids from the south side in Chicago.

One in particular, 12 years old boy, told me he had aspirations to be a cop - but he was worried about who he'd have to kill to gain the respect of the police department so they'd let him join. He legitimately thought that was a requirement. And he was trying to be thoughtful.

Is the world this kid's oyster? Did he ever really have a chance? Do we owe this kid something better as a country/society?
Cop: "We only kill black people"

Yep that's the CNN title to an article. A cop said it sarcastically to a presumably non-black person who was scared because she suffers from too much media attention to the fantasy that cops love shooting people for no reason.

So CNN piles on, as they are wont to do. And so that's how we think. What we see and read in the media becomes our reality. Because we really are that stupid.

If you want something we could do, we white folk, maybe our progressive journalists should lay off the BS a bit. It'll help connect 12 year olds to something resembling reality.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Horace:
...What we see and read in the media becomes our reality. Because we really are that stupid.


I wonder if that will change, albeit slowly. I sense that there is a growing skepticism regarding all MSM, where even the most minimally informed might be starting to pause and (re)start their own brain cells, with a more cautious approach to what they are being told to believe by formally trusted sources.
Perhaps unity will grow from "we're all being told utter BS, regardless of whether we agree with each other or not. In that we agree."

Curious thread title: "Black Lives Truly Matter."
Truly? As opposed to. . .



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Jolly
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Aug 31 2017, 08:17 PM
Jolly
Aug 31 2017, 08:22 AM
Horace
Aug 31 2017, 08:08 AM
Black skin already gives one remarkable status especially as it relates to social credibility.

I believe that for a person of color raised in a decent home who's willing to actually participate in the grind of middle class (or more!) existence, this country is their oyster.
There is some truth to that. Because of past inequities, there are avenues available to sharp, hard-working black kids that might not be available to others. Hurrah for them, if they take advantage of it.

A black lady who worked for me came from a remarkably successful family. Her father was an engineer, her mother held a Masters in social work and was a regional director for the state. The lady who worked for me held a college degree in Biology. Her husband held a Masters in Marketing, her sister held a PhD in Sociology. Her niece has a college degree and works as an event planner for a major hotel, her son is an engineer at Boeing, her daughter has a PharmD.

Most of them went to college loaded with scholarships. Would they have gotten as much aid had they been White or Asian? I don't know, but I think possibly not. I base that knowing what her GPA was and what her kid's ACT scores and GPA's were. Her children's scores and mine were very similar. My children did receive some academic scholarships, but not nearly what her children received. So, yes, I think there does exist some inherent bias in the system. It's just the way it is.

Again, I'm very happy for her kids, they worked hard and they deserve whatever good come their way. They are simply great kids.
On the slip side - a few years back I was spending time with some kids from the south side in Chicago.

One in particular, 12 years old boy, told me he had aspirations to be a cop - but he was worried about who he'd have to kill to gain the respect of the police department so they'd let him join. He legitimately thought that was a requirement. And he was trying to be thoughtful.

Is the world this kid's oyster? Did he ever really have a chance? Do we owe this kid something better as a country/society?
Putting it in political terms, I'm not sure the Left has the answer. No amount of empathy or money will fix that child's problem. The problem is one of perception and opportunity.

First, we need to change his perception of the world he is living in...Horace is right in that if you are always told how horrible something is, myth becomes reality.

Secondly, we have to give him the tools to compete, as best we can. Those tools are the opportunity for a decent education, a childhood as crime free as possible, and an open slot on the starting line for life.

If we can do those things, he has opportunity. After that, we as a society have done our job and it is up to the individual to make of life what they will.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Aug 31 2017, 05:16 AM
Jolly
Aug 31 2017, 05:09 AM
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Never mind. I only wanted to point out that your premise that BLM wasn't helping in Texas was false.


Please prove me wrong. I'd like to be proven wrong. But I sincerely have my doubts.
No, that would be a waste of my time. You're not interested in the truth; you never are. You're interested in prevailing, in perpetually solidifying your beliefs.

So fine, believe what you want. If it suits you to believe that no black person affiliated with BLM is down there helping out, go ahead.
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