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| George K | Aug 27 2017, 03:58 PM Post #1 |
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A few months ago I read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" by Phillip K. Dick. http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/topic/9023478/1/?x=20#new Really enjoyed the book, and it was quirky, with fascinating ideas and it was pretty "noir-ey." So, I have to admit, much to my shame, that I've never watched Ridley Scott's movie which is "loosely based on the Phillip K. Dick novel." So yesterday, I did. Things the book and movie have in common
And, that's about it. I really don't understand the praise that the movie had gotten, particularly in view of the story of the book. So many subplots, IMPORTANT subplots are ignored or downplayed:
It became a pretty generic cop movie (in the book, Deckard is not a cop, but a bounty hunter) with some gratuitous sex thrown in. Sorry, I didn't care for it. At all. Oh, and the Vangelis score just SCREAMS 1980s. Puh-leeeze! |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Jolly | Aug 27 2017, 06:28 PM Post #2 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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They're heeere! http://bladerunnermovie.com/ |
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| Horace | Aug 27 2017, 06:33 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It allegedly helped invent the cyberpunk genre, so ya know hipsters gotta claim to love it. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| George K | Aug 27 2017, 06:39 PM Post #4 |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Jolly | Aug 27 2017, 06:43 PM Post #5 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Yeah, but this time they have CGI.... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Kincaid | Aug 27 2017, 08:48 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'd like to think that Ford is not just cashing in. Perhaps this will explore some of the deeper themes of the original novel. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Aug 28 2017, 01:37 PM Post #7 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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That's legit, but look, this is something that should be addressed: Classical music—however you want to define that—is a type of music, right? And so is Pop? Metal? R&B? Okay, so I ask you: what has more going on thematically, Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No. 3 or "Hotline Bling" by Drake? (Look it up.) Okay, so, think about your answer there. Are you some damn hipster then, because you think that the music that tries to achieve more than Drake's pile of crap can also be good? Alright. So I think we can throw out Horace's ad hominem argument-stopper and agree that there are different kinds of movies, as there are with music, fiction, etc., and like those other artistic forms, some movies have more or less complex thematic ambitions than others. If you don't like movies like that, okay. But I think it's important to not conflate "I didn't care for it" with "it was bad." Also, we're adults of reasonable IQ scores, we should be able to admit that ambitious movie projects exist, there's nothing wrong with them, and that you can actually talk about what the filmmakers were going after without throwing around a lot of bullshiit.
I'll try to explain some parts as best as I can from my own perspective. (This movie's in my Top 5. This is going to put me in a bad light by the People Who Are So Independent That They Think For Themselves, but fuck them, I don't care how cliche it is, I enjoy the hell out of this movie and always have.) This is not an attempt to get you to like it, though. I'm just pointing out some of the stuff going on in the movie:
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| Aqua Letifer | Aug 28 2017, 01:41 PM Post #8 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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(Also, hey everybody. I'm not protesting or anything, I just try not to talk about politics very much right now. Trying to keep it cool. I do try to keep tabs on everyone, though.)
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| John D'Oh | Aug 28 2017, 01:46 PM Post #9 |
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MAMIL
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I liked the movie a lot, particularly for the time it was made. I liked the soundtrack too, at least the bits that sound Arabic and/or bluesy. Then again, I've listened to things you people wouldn't believe... |
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| Kincaid | Aug 28 2017, 06:25 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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On a similar note, I have never read Ender's Game or any other stuff by the guy that wrote it, but I enjoyed the move quite a bit. |
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| George K | Aug 28 2017, 06:32 PM Post #11 |
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The difference is that Ender's Game (the movie) tried to be faithful to the book. One can argue about how close it came... Ridley Scott never even read "Do Androids...", so he only knew the premise of the book. In fact, as I said, "Blade Runner" was advertised as being "loosely based" on the book. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Jolly | Aug 28 2017, 09:23 PM Post #12 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Well, crap. Now I guess I'll have to take your cap back...
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| Horace | Aug 28 2017, 09:25 PM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Interesting points, Aqua. But what about my contention that hipsters will always claim to love Bladerunner? How would you argue against that? |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| John D'Oh | Aug 29 2017, 03:43 AM Post #14 |
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MAMIL
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I was hugely disappointed with the Ender's Game movie. The book is one of the best sci-fi books I've ever read. |
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| John D'Oh | Aug 29 2017, 03:54 AM Post #15 |
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MAMIL
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Scientific research conducted by the well known research establishment 'ranker.com' - (and try saying that if you've got a speech impediment), indicates that your assertion is fundamentally flawed. http://www.ranker.com/list/best-hipster-movies/all-genre-movies-lists The cinematic gem that is Blade Runner doesn't even appear on this well researched list! So, get on your Penny Farthing, and ride! |
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| Catseye3 | Aug 29 2017, 04:35 AM Post #16 |
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I was surprised that American Psycho came in last and that Edward Scissorhands was on the list at all. So I guess I'm still not grokking the whole hipster concept. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Aug 29 2017, 07:00 AM Post #17 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Your basic point holds up—absolutely it does—but I'd say you need to tweak it some. I'm just basing this on my personal experience, but I've seen Bladerunner in theatres a lot, so I feel like my sample size is large enough to draw solid conclusions. Sure, there are hipsters who claim to love the movie. But they aren't the largest fan base, not by a country mile. For every one hipster in the audience, you're going to see twenty nerds. I'm talking guys-over-40-with-long-hair-and-glasses, women-with-green-hair-and-t-shirts-with-Harry-Potter-puns, awkward-sounding-laughs, Motorhead-makes-me-feel-more-hardcore-than-I-obviously-look, I'm-still-using-Pathfinder-I-hate-v5 fucking nerds. And they're there because they really want to be. I've seen hipsters try to talk to nerds about this movie, and I tell you, it's a total blast. The hipster has all the conversational prowess that his Twitter following affords him, and so he is ill-equipped to carry on any conversation past his one-liner. The nerd has no social graces whatever. " 'Fiery the angels fell,' right?" "What?" "You know, what Roy said to the, uh, the genetic guy, the—" "Chew." *snaps fingers* "Yeah." "What about it?" "...I'm saying, that's going to be my new e-mail signat—" "He's quoting William Blake. But actually he got it wrong on purpose. It's not really Orcs like in Lord of the Rings, it's this whole other guy, who, like, through this evil badass stuff, brings about creativity or some shit. It's heavy dope, man." "...anyway, definitely my next gif." [awesome facial reaction] |
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I'm not protesting or anything, I just try not to talk about politics very much right now. Trying to keep it cool. I do try to keep tabs on everyone, though.)

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