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Trump says no Transgender in Military
Topic Started: Jul 26 2017, 06:24 AM (599 Views)
ivorythumper
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Jolly
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Klaus
Jul 26 2017, 11:16 AM
You haven't answered the question.

Here's another one: Smokers are on average significantly less powerful than non-smokers. On the battlefield this may make the difference between live and death. Do you support a ban on smokers in the military, and if you do not, why?
At the ages of a combat soldier, I doubt there is very little difference in combat efficiency between smokers and non-smokers.
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ivorythumper
Jul 26 2017, 01:10 PM
Klaus
Jul 26 2017, 11:16 AM
You haven't answered the question.

Here's another one: Smokers are on average significantly less powerful than non-smokers. On the battlefield this may make the difference between live and death. Do you support a ban on smokers in the military, and if you do not, why?
A weaker smoker gets weeded out in basic training.
As it should be.

And others who are weaker for whatever other reason get weeded out there as well.

But there's no reason to weed somebody out for factors that are not relevant to the job.
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Klaus
Jul 26 2017, 02:13 PM
ivorythumper
Jul 26 2017, 01:10 PM
Klaus
Jul 26 2017, 11:16 AM
You haven't answered the question.

Here's another one: Smokers are on average significantly less powerful than non-smokers. On the battlefield this may make the difference between live and death. Do you support a ban on smokers in the military, and if you do not, why?
A weaker smoker gets weeded out in basic training.
As it should be.

And others who are weaker for whatever other reason get weeded out there as well.

But there's no reason to weed somebody out for factors that are not relevant to the job.
Unit cohesion. Makes for a better fighting unit.

The Waffen SS had a lot of horrible traits, but they are almost without equal as soldiers in the modern era. Much of that had to do with unit cohesion on the battlefield.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Sorry, Sir. As you know, I have counseling scheduled for Tuesdays and Thursdays at 2:00. For hormone therapy, I must report and be present during administration, and am on light duty for an extended period of time over the months due to side effects. I have the right to dress in allowable uniform of the day reflecting my identity as well as accommodating my increase in chest size by going to the PX, and along with light cosmetics and allowable hair style/color, along with a restricted diet compatible to my transition, since this is all new to me -- extra time has been granted.

Now, don't you DARE treat me any different than any other soldier, or I'll press gender harassment charges against you, a very very serious charge these days. I'm just like anyone else, serving my country, and only want to be treated as an equal.

Sorry, can't talk about it. I think I broke a nail. Sir, do you have any nail clippers on you, maybe some glue?

:silly:

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Remember when Klinger pretended to be transgendered to get out of the military? Oh how we laughed... I never realized how evil and disgusting we were. Worse than Hitler!
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Joint Chiefs to troops: ignore Trump's tweet
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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jon-nyc
Jul 27 2017, 07:45 AM
Joint Chiefs to troops: ignore Trump's tweet

Not really ignore, more like the day is coming.

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Making military personnel policy by tweet. It's historical.

Tweeter has completely outdone Facebook, blogs, print media, digital media, cable news, broadcast news, radio shows, etc. on this one.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/trump-transgender-military-ban-no-modification-241029

"Pentagon takes no steps to enforce Trump's transgender ban

The Defense Department is awaiting guidance from the White House amid fears that thousands of troops could be forced out.
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Dude, if we have THOUSANDS of service people who ain't sure whether they are AC or DC, we need to cull the herd.
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ivorythumper
Jul 26 2017, 09:58 AM
It seems as a general principle that anyone who is not psychologically and emotionally comfortable in their own skin should not be given access to military grade weapons.
Trump has his finger on the button.

Wanna square that up?
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Jolly
Jul 27 2017, 03:49 PM
Dude, if we have THOUSANDS of service people who ain't sure whether they are AC or DC, we need to cull the herd.
Why?

[edit] That sounds flip.

If they can do the work what difference does it make?
Edited by Steve Miller, Jul 27 2017, 08:59 PM.
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I suppose if I was in the armed forces, I think it would be interesting/funny to have an openly trans person in my troop.

And you know what they say. If you don't have a trans in your troop, you are the trans.
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Steve Miller
Jul 27 2017, 08:55 PM
Jolly
Jul 27 2017, 03:49 PM
Dude, if we have THOUSANDS of service people who ain't sure whether they are AC or DC, we need to cull the herd.
Why?

[edit] That sounds flip.

If they can do the work what difference does it make?
Because it is not an individual effort.

I have known three trans people in my life, While I wish all of them every happiness I would have wanted none of them in my unit because they were not emotionally stable people. They are going through what can charitably be described as trauma just over their identity issues. I believe their ability to focus and do the job in a combat situation would be badly compromised.
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Jolly
Jul 27 2017, 03:49 PM
Dude, if we have THOUSANDS of service people who ain't sure whether they are AC or DC, we need to cull the herd.
Simple math. If .5% of the military identify as Trans (And they do), then you have thousands. 2750 I believe is the number according to Rand.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Steve Miller
Jul 27 2017, 08:54 PM
ivorythumper
Jul 26 2017, 09:58 AM
It seems as a general principle that anyone who is not psychologically and emotionally comfortable in their own skin should not be given access to military grade weapons.
Trump has his finger on the button.

Wanna square that up?
He obviously feels comfortable in his own skin.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Jul 28 2017, 05:32 AM
Steve Miller
Jul 27 2017, 08:55 PM
Jolly
Jul 27 2017, 03:49 PM
Dude, if we have THOUSANDS of service people who ain't sure whether they are AC or DC, we need to cull the herd.
Why?

[edit] That sounds flip.

If they can do the work what difference does it make?
Because it is not an individual effort.

I have known three trans people in my life, While I wish all of them every happiness I would have wanted none of them in my unit because they were not emotionally stable people. They are going through what can charitably be described as trauma just over their identity issues. I believe their ability to focus and do the job in a combat situation would be badly compromised.

This is it right here.

It's not about rights; it's about capability. And if you think someone going through transition is 100% capable then you are 100% wrong.

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