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| The German Threat | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 25 2017, 04:22 AM (249 Views) | |
| Jolly | Jun 25 2017, 04:22 AM Post #1 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Klaus bait... http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/06/why_germany_is_once_again_a_threat_to_the_west.html |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Rainman | Jun 25 2017, 12:36 PM Post #2 |
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Interesting article, a catalyst for some very interesting comments. |
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| Klaus | Jun 25 2017, 01:20 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Ridiculous. "Strong continuity between the foreign policy of Wilhelm II, Hitler, and Merkel"? GMAFB. I should have stopped reading there but I didn't. The points the author mentions to support this bizarre hypothesis follow the logic of "Hitler was a vegatarian, hence all vegetarians are Nazis". I hate Merkel, but the author of this article has no clue about Germany. |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 25 2017, 02:17 PM Post #4 |
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It's The American Thinker. They don't have much of a clue about anything. |
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| Rainman | Jun 25 2017, 02:53 PM Post #5 |
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Klaus, you state that you hate Merkel. I'm curious, who would you present as being someone you like in the highest levels of German government? If not Chancellor Merkel, then who would you like in as future Chancellor? |
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| Renauda | Jun 25 2017, 04:18 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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More like The American Thunker. |
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| Rainman | Jun 25 2017, 04:36 PM Post #7 |
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Sorry, but that's a known fact. |
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| Piano*Dad | Jun 25 2017, 07:19 PM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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Completely agree. As an undergraduate essay in an international relations class, that would have earned a low B. Huge leaps supported by the flimsiest of logical links. Virtually no evidence, but no matter. Just assert connections. |
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| Larry | Jun 25 2017, 07:49 PM Post #9 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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You just described how liberals think. |
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Of the Pokatwat Tribe | |
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| Klaus | Jun 26 2017, 01:29 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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There are no realistic improvements right now. Merkel will be the next chancellor after this election, and even if she steps down all likely successors within her party are not better. The only realistic option in the foreseeable future is that the next election in September will result in a new coalition, where the CDU (Merkel's party) might team up with the FDP instead of the SPD. Merkel would continue to be chancellor in that coalition, but the FDP may be able to do at least some damage control. If I could single-handedly determine the next chancellor, I'd choose Frank Schäffler, one of the few true classical liberals, but even his own party, FDP, tries to keep him down. I guess I have to live with the fact that issues that are important to me - personal responsibility, freedom of speech, freedom of contract, subsidiarity etc. - are a minority position over here. The mainstream political spectrum consists of different shades of social democracy only. |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| Axtremus | Jun 26 2017, 02:39 AM Post #11 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Dang, the American Thinker is full or liberals! |
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| Mikhailoh | Jun 26 2017, 02:44 AM Post #12 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Klaus, over here you would be a conservative - a real conservative not a far right wacko. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Jolly | Jun 26 2017, 04:13 AM Post #13 |
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Possibly, but we ain't grading papers, this board discusses all ideas. That is what the initial post is all about - discussion. Now, you might think the writer's premise is erroneous, but you haven't said why. The argument is being made around a single point. Since 1870 and the creation of modern Germany, the nation has been the leading power of mainland Europe. As such, it has chafed at being too small to politically dominate the continent, but big enough to be the major player, either politically or militarily. The author thinks because of the German psyche, they are ultimately led to try to dominate. The stuff about Merkel, Hitler, Bismark, etc. is just plug-n-play leadership. |
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| Klaus | Jun 26 2017, 05:59 AM Post #14 |
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Most countries complain that Germany refuses to have a leadership role. France wants to lead. The UK wants to lead. Germany's reaction to when it's asked to lead is this: |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| Rainman | Jun 26 2017, 09:48 AM Post #15 |
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Thanks, Klaus! The link you provided works, but when I utilized the Google translate, I became a bit lost. There is something about the German grammar that apparently does not easily translate into English. I looked him up on wiki and again used the translate function. I did get some idea of him, but again the translation was cumbersome and frankly I am not familiar with the machinations of German government in terms of how these coalitions work once formed, let alone the various groups and what their central tenant or platform is. Aber, vielen dank! |
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| Rainman | Jun 26 2017, 10:07 AM Post #16 |
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Jolly just pulled from the article the entire tenor of the article for me. In reading any opinion piece, I think it is fair to say that everyone reacts and reflects differently. For some, without citations and footnotes, it's amateur hour and does not even deserve reading. For others like me, I enjoy reading and reflecting on what could be thought provoking, based on my own background and life experiences. My Mom lived in Germany during WWII. In many respects, tough years. But, she also noted many good things in her experiences, many positives in retrospect were simply good luck in terms of what she went through. One positive was that as a young girl of 22, she felt relatively safe. In Estonian, the phrase is "Kork Majas" which roughly means "order in the household" or in terms of feeling safe, "order in the society." Estonians in general liked the Germans, as opposed to the Soviets/Russians. And, this was reciprocated. My mom's job in Germany was due to a German officer who liked Estonians, as they had treated him so fairly when he was in Tallinn, so he went out of his way to get her a job in a pharmacy. Anyway. One thing my Mom has said over the years, has to do with the "German psyche" whatever that means. But, in her assessment of the Germans, she would state, "the Germans lost the war, but in the German psyche, Germans never lose." I find this very interesting, in wondering where does the "German psyche" come from? Sure, heady books, arts/culture, history, but how does all that manifest itself to the common population and become "German psyche" in the long-range assessment of a society? For that matter, where does the "American psyche" come from? Yes, broad rhetorical subject areas, but interesting (to me) nonetheless. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 26 2017, 02:52 PM Post #17 |
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Ever seen a German comedy club? Spoiler: click to toggle |
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| Mikhailoh | Jun 26 2017, 02:56 PM Post #18 |
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