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Just wonderin
Topic Started: Jun 24 2017, 02:13 AM (510 Views)
bachophile
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HOLY CARP!!!
i doubt the interference really had a big practical effect. i just think that to question it happened is simply to deny the truth.

the governments top spy agencies are saying it did. whats the point in denying it?
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Jolly
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bachophile
Jun 24 2017, 09:33 AM
i doubt the interference really had a big practical effect. i just think that to question it happened is simply to deny the truth.

the governments top spy agencies are saying it did. whats the point in denying it?
If there was interference, tell us what it was and did it change anything. Then fix the problem.

The collusion is just smoke and mirrors - typical nothingburger politics.
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bachophile
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again....maybe it didn't do anything. and maybe there was no collusion.

but thats not my point. my point is....everyone seems to at least acknowledge that something happened. and thats its not a hoax to say that it did.

so why is it so so hard to admit it?
"I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen
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bachophile
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https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/1_3%20Russia%20Independent%20Commission1.pdf

"To establish an independent commission to examine and report on the facts
regarding the extent of Russian official and unofficial cyber operations
and other attempts to interfere in the 2016 United States national
election, and for other purposes"
"I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen
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Copper
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bachophile
Jun 24 2017, 09:47 AM

everyone seems to at least acknowledge that something happened. and thats its not a hoax to say that it did.

so why is it so so hard to admit it?

Nobody seems to at least acknowledge WHAT happened?

Nobody seems to at least acknowledge Mr. Trump had any involvement or knowledge of WHAT happened.

Without knowing that you can't even say whether it was good or bad.

And how in the world can anyone find fault with Mr. Trump or Mr. Obama or anyone without knowing the simplest of facts except "something happened"?

so why is it so so hard to admit it?
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bachophile
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maybe my english was not so clear.

ill try again

i don't know what was done
i don't know if the campaign knew anything
i don't even know if anyone was at fault

but there was russian interference, so says the spies, so says the (republican) congress

so why is it "alleged", a "hoax", "fake news"
if it happened, then its a fact. now let the investigations begin so it doesn't happen again.

my post was directed at the inconsistency of trumps tweets.one day its a hoax. the next its obamas fault for not doing anything.

i can't make my thoughts clearer, thats the most basic english i know.
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I look forward to the cultural shift which may occur due to the Trump presidency, assuming he is not assassinated or does not die of a heart attack as some wish.

A time, when people will begin to assess their own lives as a personal responsibility, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, or any defined sub-group. A time when people laugh at themselves, and at others, without fear that saying something may "trigger" someone, or result in a label being thrown back as an insult worse than calling someone Hitler, a time when people look back at how disjointed society had become, with everyone placed into silos and then labeled with how they were "suppose" to behave as a member of a defined group (including the President). A time when it becomes cool to be yourself, and that doing so is more important than the rules/regulations for behavior imposed from group masters (whoever they are). A time when comedy returns, as laughter is one sign of a healthy society, and a bloodied president's head is not comedy by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, back to trying to figure out Trump and/or Russians. Sorry for the brief hijack.
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Renauda
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Jolly
Jun 24 2017, 07:04 AM
Renauda
Jun 24 2017, 06:55 AM
Jolly
Jun 24 2017, 06:44 AM
Renauda
Jun 24 2017, 05:43 AM
Jolly
Jun 24 2017, 04:50 AM
The dems keep chasing the collusion theory down a rabbit hole, while ignoring the fact that Ms. Clinton helped transfer to Russia about 1/3 of our uranium. And after that, her husband JUST HAPPENED to get a large speaking fee from her Russian friends.
Sure Jolly, you tell 'em.

http://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.5.1106/full/
Sure, Renauda, you tell'em:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/26/peter-schweizer/fact-checking-clinton-cash-author-claim-about-bill/
I couldn't give a rat's ass about what the world's overpaid morons pay to have Slick WeeWee talk nonsense for an hour and assuage their overblown egos.

I was referring to the Urainium crap you posted about.
I'm sure, in fact, I'm pretty positive that people paid Bill Clinton exorbitant sums of money for his wit and dashing good looks. Influence peddling would have barely crossed my mind. :tongue:
He ain't the first and sure as hell won't be the last. It's what opportunity and business are all about.

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bachophile
Jun 24 2017, 09:17 AM
Don't want to beat a dead horse but I think it's pretty overwhelmingly obvious there was Russian interference. The whole intelligence community has said so. The only question is was trumps campaign cognizant of it at the time.
I agree with this. I dont have inside information, but seems to be pretty strong evidence that Russia was looking at the US election. I do not think that they did anything that changed the voting and I also think that the Trump people were involved at all.
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Don't want to beat a dead horse but I think it's pretty overwhelmingly obvious there was Russian interference. The whole intelligence community has said so. The only question is was trumps campaign cognizant of it at the time.


Here's a question I float just for the hey of it, mostly because I have things to accomplish today and don't feel like doing any of them, and contributing to the worldly store of TNCR wisdom gives me a virtuous out. :silly:

What if the Russians did interfere with our election? What if the US interferes with theirs? What if we both have done so for years, and the inner councils of both governments are aware of it? What if all this tzimmes about Russian interference is for them SSDD, big yawn? It is not therefore unreasonable that workers in the Trump campaign knew it was happening. Gossip circuit.

Here's the question. So what? Pretend you're in the Clinton campaign. You ask, is there something in this for us? If not, then why even go there?

And if there is something, what would it be, and how complicated would it be to make anything out of it that the American voter would A) comprehend and B) care about, in time for November?

Answer: Gah, ginormous headache. Fuggedaboutit.

My gut says Trump his ownself didn't know, and if he did somehow get wind of it, his business brain, not to mention his narcissism, would blow it off as not of immediate profit to him. And I question whether Hil would have been bright enough to see the implications of any course over another. Both campaigns had other, more immediate fish to fry.

I'm sure Trump has his reasons for cozying up to Putin, but getting him to help with his election is probably too far-fetched. But as I just redd in a novel by Minnesoootan writer John Sandford, where TV is concerned, it's Occam's razor all the way down. If it's scandalous and gets the peoples' Irish up, and if it promises to generate headlines for a long time, then that's where it'll be at. Do we need any more proof that truth-seeking is, like, back burnered?

I wish this whole silly thing would go away, but not strongly. It passes the time for some, I guess.
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