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Should catholic schools be gov funded?
Topic Started: Jun 18 2017, 07:24 AM (233 Views)
Riley
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http://www.cbc.ca/radio/the180/stop-funding-catholic-schools-restore-trust-in-the-neb-and-let-me-change-my-name-1.4162978/it-s-time-to-end-public-funding-of-catholic-schools-1.4163049?utm_content=buffer5b846&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Rainman
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I had no idea government funded catholic schools in Canada.
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The reason Catholic schools receive public funding in Ontario goes all the way back to Confederation. Other provinces like Quebec and Newfoundland have done away with funding for separate school boards, and Pascal thinks the rest of the country should follow suit.

"Flash forward 150 years," Pascal said. "We're living in a multicultural society with lots of other religions that need to be respected. The notion that a single religious education schooling system receives public money is simply an anachronism."

"Flash forward 150 years" is a funny justification. Obviously, he should have said, "Flash forward 152.5 years."

So, Catholic schools receive federal and provincial funding, but a Protestant school would not?

Interesting. When I have more time, I will Googleize my understanding.
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Rainman
Jun 18 2017, 11:18 AM
So, Catholic schools receive federal and provincial funding, but a Protestant school would not?
I think that when public education started, by default the schools would be protestant. Much the same was true in England, where Anglicanism was the state religion. The idea of Catholic schools was to protect the minority religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_schools_in_Canada
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sue
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No, they should not.
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Riley
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Jun 18 2017, 11:18 AM
"Flash forward 150 years" is a funny justification. Obviously, he should have said, "Flash forward 152.5 years."
I'm not sure what you mean here? The 150 years refers to the fact that next Saturday is 150 years from the founding of Canada.
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Jolly
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The school should not be funded, but what about some of the essential programs? Say, transportation?

If a child is going to private school and his parents are paying taxes, should not they receive the benefit of bus transportation? Or, if their child is eligible for free or reduced lunch, should they not receive those benefits?
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Rainman
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Here are some quotes of interest, taken from Wiki articles.

What I could not find out, is if each Province utilizes a funding formula for special ed, English/French language learners. Also could not find out what percentage of federal funding supplements the respective Provinces (in the U.S., these would be known as Title funding e.g., Title I/poverty, free lunches etc.).

Noted that in BC, the number of school days was indicated as 172. That seems very low, but the statement did not qualify if these were contract days, or student contact days. If 172 is student contact days (not reflecting professional development days, conferences, holidays), then 172 would be around what we have in our local district.

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more than 51% of Canadians have a college degree, the highest rate in the world by far.
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Canada is introducing a new, fast-track system to let foreign students and graduates with Canadian work experience become permanent eligible residents in Canada
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some scholars view academics as a form of "soft power" helping to educate and to create positive attitudes", although there is criticism that educators are merely telling students what to think, instead of how to think for themselves
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Quebec students must attend a French school up until the end of high school unless one of their parents qualifies as a rights-holder under s. 23 of the Charter.
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Starting at grade one, at age six or seven, there is universal publicly funded access up to grade twelve (age seventeen to eighteen), except in Quebec, where secondary school ends one year earlier.
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In other provinces privately operated religious schools are funded. In British Columbia the government pays independent schools that meet rigorous provincial standards up to 50% of the per-student operating cost of public schools. The province has a number of Sikh, Hindu, Christian, and Muslim schools.
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Riley
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I agree they shouldn't be funded but I'm not sure how to go about that. If they were suddenly defunded and became tuition based private schools, enrolment would likely drop drastically causing empty catholic schools and a sudden strain on the regular public system.

The catholic system makes up a significant portion of schools in Ontario. In my city for example, we have 114 public schools and 55 catholic schools.
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Renauda
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What I could not find out, is if each Province utilizes a funding formula for special ed, English/French language learners.


Stop looking for one because there is no one formula. Each province has its own formula and policy for such


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Also could not find out what percentage of federal funding supplements the respective Provinces (in the U.S., these would be known as Title funding e.g., Title I/poverty, free lunches etc.).


There are no federal supplements for K-12 education for non aboriginal children and even the case of First Nations children any federal funding is selective or ad hoc and limited to specific Treaty rights under The Indian Act. Suffice to say that education in Canada is exclusively the constitutional responsibility of the the provinces as per the BNA Act. The federal government has no legal or constitutional right to involve itself in the implementation of education policy or curriculum in the provinces. The federal government cannot earmark funds or federal transfer payments to the provinces for education. In fact, there is no equivalent in Canada to the US Secretary of Education or a corresponding federal Department of Education.

While curriculum and programs do vary from province to province, overall coordination and standards are devised and attained by mutual agreement of the provinces through a Council of Provincial Education Ministers without federal oversight or involvement.

I do not see this changing in the either the near or distant future.



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Rainman
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Jun 18 2017, 03:32 PM
Rainman
 
What I could not find out, is if each Province utilizes a funding formula for special ed, English/French language learners.


Stop looking for one because there is no one formula. Each province has its own formula and policy for such


Rainman
 

Also could not find out what percentage of federal funding supplements the respective Provinces (in the U.S., these would be known as Title funding e.g., Title I/poverty, free lunches etc.).


There are no federal supplements for K-12 education for non aboriginal children and even the case of First Nations children any federal funding is selective and ad hoc and limited to specific Treaty rights under The Indian Act. Suffice to say that education in Canada is exclusively the constitutional responsibility of the the provinces as per the BNA Act. The federal government has no legal or constitutional right to involve itself in the implementation of education policy or curriculum in the provinces. The federal government cannot earmark funds or federal transfer payments to the provinces for education. In fact, there is no equivalent in Canada to the US Secretary of Education or a corresponding federal Department of Education.

While curriculum and programs do vary from province to province, overall coordination and standards are devised and attained by mutual agreement of the provinces through a Council of Provincial Education Ministers without federal oversight or involvement.

I do not see this changing in the either the near or distant future.



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bachophile
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Maybe the question should be reworded to should the government fund private schools. To avoid the catholic religious angle which may be a red button to some.

And does government mean federal state or municipal(in the us I mean)

In municipal terms, all schools should be subject to basic parameters set down by education depts of cities, and therefore should also benefit somewhat from city budgets although obviously to a lesser degree than public schools which are compeltly dependent on public funding. But I think if a school is part of a network of educational intidtitions taking the same tests and being held to the same standards, there is no principled objection to benefiting from public funds as long as it's kept to a reasonable degree.
Same goes for state funding.
On a national level it's a different ball park as in the us the states should be able to maintain independence from the fed gov as far as education is concerned as long as there is basic equality. (There never will be complete equality but at least a semblance )

So I ask again, forget catholic as a paradigm for religious schooling, the question should be what does private education get from public money?
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Riley
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bachophile
Jun 18 2017, 10:43 PM
Maybe the question should be reworded to should the government fund private schools. To avoid the catholic religious angle which may be a red button to some.
The problem is they're not really private schools here. They're fully taxpayer funded just like the public system. Parents don't pay to send their kids to either type of school. Catholic schools also make up 33% of all schools, at least in my city. (55 out of a total of 169 local schools)
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bachophile
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Oh didn't realize that. Ok.
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