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"Is it Republicans or Democrats playing?"; Shooting at baseball practice
Topic Started: Jun 14 2017, 04:38 AM (1,381 Views)
Horace
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I doubt this guy would qualify as mentally ill. His enraged and hate-filled political opinions, when he expressed them verbally rather than with a gun, look mainstream to me.

As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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jon-nyc
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Jun 14 2017, 11:56 AM
jon-nyc
Jun 14 2017, 08:32 AM
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Jun 14 2017, 07:27 AM
His facebook page is blowing up.

https://www.facebook.com/james.hodgkinson.568

Liberal Trump hater...
Let's just hope it's not some other guy with the same name.
Nope... that was him.

He also had a second page that blew up too.

I was just thinking about the Sandyhook case - either there was another Adam Lanza that got identified, or the wrong name dribbled out first, but some guy was wrongly ID'd on FB in the early hours after the shooting.

Re this clown, I saw his FB page before they took it down. It was generating quite a few comments...
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The shooter was James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, who belonged to a number of anti-Republican groups, including one called "Terminate the Republican Party."

Nice guy, huh?

And I'm sure a comedian (a poor one at that) holding a severed head of the President or a play in New York City about assassinating the President had absolutely no bearing on the mental state of this sick fvck, right?

As far as I'm concerned, everyone who has posted bull$hit about Trump on social media, has blood on their hands.

While I was never a fan of Obama, I never advocated terminating him and I don't personally know anyone who did.

Yet.. doing so now is considered "art" or "free speech"...

Absolute BULL$HIT. :mad2:



Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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jon-nyc
Jun 14 2017, 12:12 PM
It was generating quite a few comments...
I'll say...

I had never seen that number of comments on any FB page flying in real time.
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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Jun 14 2017, 12:13 PM
The shooter was James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, who belonged to a number of anti-Republican groups, including one called "Terminate the Republican Party."

Nice guy, huh?

And I'm sure a comedian (a poor one at that) holding a severed head of the President or a play in New York City about assassinating the President had absolutely no bearing on the mental state of this sick fvck, right?

As far as I'm concerned, everyone who has posted bull$hit about Trump on social media, has blood on their hands.

While I was never a fan of Obama, I never advocated terminating him and I don't personally know anyone who did.

Yet.. doing so now is considered "art" or "free speech"...

Absolute BULL$HIT. :mad2:



Right On!
And more and more people are calling BS, even those on the Left that are walking away from the extremists pretending to represent the values of liberals.
There is a "silent majority" on the left and the right. And, they are starting to coalesce into one voice of "Enough Damit" against both extremes, with another point to congress -- "do your damn jobs!"
Edit: Maybe the above is what I hope is happening, as opposed to what is really happening. :no:
Edited by Rainman, Jun 14 2017, 12:31 PM.
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http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/14/virginia-governor-terry-mcauliffe-calls-gun-control-after-steve-scalise-shooting

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Gov. McAuliffe on Scalise Shooting: 'There Are Too Many Guns on the Street'

McAuliffe said "there are too many guns on the street" but then said the issue shouldn't be raised today.

OK

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A reported then remarked, "If it's not the day for it, why are you bringing it up?"

The governor said he talks about the need for more background checks on gun purchases and for closing the gun show loophole all the time.

Edited by Copper, Jun 14 2017, 12:52 PM.
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McAuliffe is an a$$hole.

Can't wait for his sorry a$$ to be EX-governor.

Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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Had it not been for Northern Virginia, the man would never have been elected governor.

If it were not for Northern Virginia, Virginia would be a solid conservative state.

Maybe we could give Northern Virginia to West Virginia. :whome:
Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments
and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism.

We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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Jolly
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Jun 14 2017, 01:00 PM
Had it not been for Northern Virginia, the man would never have been elected governor.

If it were not for Northern Virginia, Virginia would be a solid conservative state.

Maybe we could give Northern Virginia to West Virginia. :whome:
West-By-God wouldn't have it.

It would lower the total IQ level of Senator Manchin's state...
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George K
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Well, Senator, did you get what you want?

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But, Trump incites violence.
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I really wish he hadn't used that language. Can he really be so dense as to not know better?
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Larry
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Kaine is an absolute moron. Selecting this assclown to be her vp should have been enough to show that the hildabeast lacks good judgment.
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Hmmm..... wonder if the shooter ever sang opera.....
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Horace
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Is it fair to say that the only thing that kept this from being a massacre of republican congressmen is that the shooter wasn't even halfway competent?
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And of course, WaPo leads off its Google lede with, "A man angry with President Trump unleashed a barrage of gunfire . . . "

This is so very sad. A formerly great newspaper, reduced to this kind of bald cheesy agitprop.
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Jun 14 2017, 07:09 PM
And of course, WaPo leads off its Google lede with, "A man angry with President Trump unleashed a barrage of gunfire . . . "

This is so very sad. A formerly great newspaper, reduced to this kind of bald cheesy agitprop.
I couldn't agree more, Cats.
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Larry
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I redd that lede too....
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Horace
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:shrug: it's accurate, and it doesn't seem like it makes the Trump-haters look good.

But I have no doubt that WaPo meant it to make a point about what a colossal shi!thead Trump is. That he drives people to do this sort of thing.

It just didn't hit me that way is all.
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Jun 14 2017, 09:02 PM
:shrug: it's accurate, and it doesn't seem like it makes the Trump-haters look good.

But I have no doubt that WaPo meant it to make a point about what a colossal shi!thead Trump is. That he drives people to do this sort of thing.

It just didn't hit me that way is all.
It is supposedly a news venue. That kind of incendiary loaded spin doesn't -- or didn't in the past -- belong on the front page. It's a cheap comedown for a formerly revered newspaper.

What, did Murdoch buy WaPo and I just didn't notice???
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Horace
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Why isn't motive an important piece of the story? We're swimming in that guy's motive every day with everything dumped on us whenever we interact with a human or a device.
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Horace
Jun 14 2017, 09:10 PM
Why isn't motive an important piece of the story? We're swimming in that guy's motive every day with everything dumped on us whenever we interact with a human or a device.
Because it isn't. It's speculation. It doesn't belong as a headline in a respectable news source.

Speculation as to motive is -- or used to be -- confined to the op-ed page, or what used to be the op-ed page. Now apparently the op-ed page has taken over the whole rag, and actual news covfefe is, where? Beats me.

I think we're talking at cross purposes. I'm not exercised about the content, the content could have been anything. The headline should have redd something like, "Three shot at Congressional baseball game" or some such. Because that's what happened, and that is -- or used to be -- the paper's job, to relate the facts.

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It's about as factual as it could be that this guy was motivated by rage against the political right. I can understand having an issue with weighing that fact so heavily that it's part of the headline, but I don't think it's speculative enough to be considered to be in any reasonable doubt.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Jun 14 2017, 09:35 PM
It's about as factual as it could be that this guy was motivated by rage against the political right. I can understand having an issue with weighing that fact so heavily that it's part of the headline, but I don't think it's speculative enough to be considered to be in any reasonable doubt.
No . . . and his being crazy had no weight?

And while I grant that it is highly probable -- okay, a gnat's whisker away from factual -- that he was motivated by rage against the right, it's actually a conclusion drawn from his social-media page and his affiliations. It's not a fact like bullets projecting from a gun barrel. You could ask: Well, duh, what other conclusion could you possibly draw, but it is still a conclusion. The guy is dead; we can't ask him.

Maybe he was drunk or high. Maybe a different day he wouldn't have done it, or a different hour. Maybe he intended to come and heckle, and somebody said something that set him off. He certainly was mad.

I feel like I'm splitting hairs. But it's sloppy reporting. It smacks of an irresistible opportunity to use the event to lodge another dig at Trump.

How can you trust a quote-unquote news source if it colorizes its content this way?

And I'm still wondering why he asked that guy in the parking lot which team was playing. That is occupying my brain like a pebble in a shoe.
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Jun 14 2017, 09:48 PM
Horace
Jun 14 2017, 09:35 PM
It's about as factual as it could be that this guy was motivated by rage against the political right. I can understand having an issue with weighing that fact so heavily that it's part of the headline, but I don't think it's speculative enough to be considered to be in any reasonable doubt.
No . . . and his being crazy had no weight?

And while I grant that it is highly probable -- okay, a gnat's whisker away from factual -- that he was motivated by rage against the right, it's actually a conclusion drawn from his social-media page and his affiliations. It's not a fact like bullets projecting from a gun barrel. You could ask: Well, duh, what other conclusion could you possibly draw, but it is still a conclusion. The guy is dead; we can't ask him.

Maybe he was drunk or high. Maybe a different day he wouldn't have done it, or a different hour. Maybe he intended to come and heckle, and somebody said something that set him off. He certainly was mad.
But you can't even pose reasonable possibilities. The guy factually had traveled to DC six weeks ago from his home in the midwest. I don't think he was sightseeing the Washington Monument when an impulse to kill a bunch of republicans overcame him. This was pre-meditated big time, by a guy who'd lived a full life being a productive and relatively normal member of society, (ok, some rage issues apparently that brushed him up against the law a couple times, to no consequence) and at the end of it became so enraged and partisan in his politics that he decided this was a good idea.

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I feel like I'm splitting hairs. But it's sloppy reporting. It smacks of an irresistible opportunity to use the event to lodge another dig at Trump.
Well, like I said, I didn't actually read it that way. Does an attempted spree killing ever make a side of an argument look better? Does "Look what Trump made him do" find sympathetic ears amongst the non-crazy?

Actually, I know that it does. And I also know that we're not getting off this planet.

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How can you trust a quote-unquote news source if it colorizes its content this way?

And I'm still wondering why he asked that guy in the parking lot which team was playing. That is occupying my brain like a pebble in a shoe.


Huh? He wanted to make sure that the people he shot were Republicans. Is that why we're even having this discussion? Yes, that's why he asked. I didn't realize that was in any doubt in anybody's mind.
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Fine; you insist on making this convo about content. I'm tired and I'm going to bed; I'm conceding.

As for the parking lot query. Walk through it. Here's a guy, armed, got some idea of shooting people. He needs the people he shoots to be Republicans.

What does he know when he's in the parking lot? He knows there's a ball game, and it's peopled by Congressmen.

He had enough wits to determine that much; why didn't he already know the players were Republicans? Why did he have to ask?

If he had to ask, we have to assume he didn't know which party was playing. The only way this works would be if he brought a gun just in case the players were Republicans. Had they been Democrats he, what, would have gone away?

Even for a madman, that seems a little random.

It's possible he asked because he knew his asking would make the news, and that's how he (in his scrambled brain) figured his homies would know it was him, and not some other crazyman wandering around Alexandria with a gun that day.

I don't know. It doesn't track that well, even for a nut, but who knows.
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