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Comey Testimony
Topic Started: Jun 7 2017, 10:57 PM (1,816 Views)
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Larry
Jun 8 2017, 08:10 AM
Klaus, Comey himself has already said under oath that it never happened. So your question is based on a hypothetical and not based on any facts in evidence. You may as well have asked me to describe the taste of the cheese on the moon.
Well, I heard him just say that he considered Trump's statement whether he could "let it go" (or something like that) to be an order.

So my question was not so hypothetical at all.
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Jun 8 2017, 08:42 AM
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Jun 8 2017, 08:10 AM
Klaus, Comey himself has already said under oath that it never happened. So your question is based on a hypothetical and not based on any facts in evidence. You may as well have asked me to describe the taste of the cheese on the moon.
Well, I heard him just say that he considered Trump's statement whether he could "let it go" (or something like that) to be an order.

So my question was not so hypothetical at all.
That's supposition, not intent.

Look, did Trump probably say that? Yep. Is that a Presidential order? Nope. The investigation proceeded.

Ever been around politics? This kind of stuff occurs on a daily basis. Again, if that's it, it's a nothingburger.
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The biggest mistake Trump made in all of this was in not having Sessions at these meetings. There is a chain of command, and bypassing Sessions opens all kinds of ugliness.
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You know, what's really frustrating me about you guys is that we all know how differently you would have interpreted this news if this would have been material against Obama and not against Trump. You wouldn't have hesitated for a nanosecond to call for Obama's impeachment. I know it. You know it. You know that I know it.

If you'd have a tiny bit of impartiality left you would at least admit that.

And no, you are not just doing the same kind of double standard thing that the other side does when the president is from their side.

Even if Trump would have been my most favourite politician ever whom I love more than my wife, he'd have lost my support over this. You are blind, and you've lost your sense of balance.
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Ever been around politics? This kind of stuff occurs on a daily basis. Again, if that's it, it's a nothingburger.

The president asking the head of the FBI to drop an investigation into a member of his team happens on a daily basis?
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Jun 8 2017, 08:42 AM
Larry
Jun 8 2017, 08:10 AM
Klaus, Comey himself has already said under oath that it never happened. So your question is based on a hypothetical and not based on any facts in evidence. You may as well have asked me to describe the taste of the cheese on the moon.
Well, I heard him just say that he considered Trump's statement whether he could "let it go" (or something like that) to be an order.

So my question was not so hypothetical at all.
What he "considered" it to be has nothing to do with anything. Nor does it change the fact the Comey flat out said Trump did not do it. So yes, your question is a hypothetical.
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This is how Trump runs his business. It's how he knows how to get things done. It's not working too well in this new context. But I see this as what the voters voted for. And I don't see any terrifying tendencies here, though that may put me in the minority.
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Jun 8 2017, 08:51 AM
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Ever been around politics? This kind of stuff occurs on a daily basis. Again, if that's it, it's a nothingburger.

The president asking the head of the FBI to drop an investigation into a member of his team happens on a daily basis?
He didn't ask him to drop an investigation. He said he hoped Comey could let him go. That is a completely different thing. Comey himself said he didn'rt see Trumps comment as an attempt to stop any investigation into anyone or anything, and he flat out said "no" when asked if he considered Trump's comment as an attempt to obstruct justice.

You guys can try all you want to keep your delusions alive, but all the air has been let out of your tires.
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Jun 8 2017, 08:51 AM
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Ever been around politics? This kind of stuff occurs on a daily basis. Again, if that's it, it's a nothingburger.

The president asking the head of the FBI to drop an investigation into a member of his team happens on a daily basis?
Er, no: http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/08/comey-no-trump-didnt-ask-me-to-stop-investigation/

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Former FBI Director James Comey testified before a Senate committee Thursday that President Donald Trump never asked him to end the investigation into Russian election interference.

North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, the Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, asked Comey, “Did the president at any time ask you to stop the FBI investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 U.S. elections?”

The former FBI director replied, “Not to my understanding, no.”

Burr followed up by asking if any member of the administration made this request, and Comey replied, “no.”
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Comey himself said he didn'rt see Trumps comment as an attempt to stop any investigation into anyone or anything, and he flat out said "no" when asked if he considered Trump's comment as an attempt to obstruct justice.


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I don’t think it’s for me to say whether the conversation I had with the president was an effort to obstruct


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I took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning, But that’s a conclusion I'm sure the special counsel will work toward to try and understand what the intention was there and whether that’s an offense


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Ever been around politics? This kind of stuff occurs on a daily basis. Again, if that's it, it's a nothingburger.

The president asking the head of the FBI to drop an investigation into a member of his team happens on a daily basis?
Er, no: http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/08/comey-no-trump-didnt-ask-me-to-stop-investigation/

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Former FBI Director James Comey testified before a Senate committee Thursday that President Donald Trump never asked him to end the investigation into Russian election interference.

North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, the Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, asked Comey, “Did the president at any time ask you to stop the FBI investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 U.S. elections?”

The former FBI director replied, “Not to my understanding, no.”

Burr followed up by asking if any member of the administration made this request, and Comey replied, “no.”
Why are you quoting him talking about dropping the Russian investigation in general in reply to me talking about dropping the investigation into Flynn?
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Jun 8 2017, 09:10 AM
Why are quoting him talking about the Russian investigation in general in reply to me talking about the investigation into Flynn?
Are they not part of the same parcel?
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'Trump did not ask me to drop the investigation into Russia' does not contradict 'Trump asked me to drop the investigation into Flynn'.
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Jun 8 2017, 08:50 AM
You know, what's really frustrating me about you guys is that we all know how differently you would have interpreted this news if this would have been material against Obama and not against Trump. You wouldn't have hesitated for a nanosecond to call for Obama's impeachment. I know it. You know it. You know that I know it.

If you'd have a tiny bit of impartiality left you would at least admit that.

And no, you are not just doing the same kind of double standard thing that the other side does when the president is from their side.

Even if Trump would have been my most favourite politician ever whom I love more than my wife, he'd have lost my support over this. You are blind, and you've lost your sense of balance.

No.

Many of us questioned Mr. Obama's competence, intent, capabilities and just about everything else.

But there wasn't a lot of question about his authority.

He had the authority to do a lot of stupid things and he did them.

I don't see the Flynn investigation as a big deal, at least not yet. And if Mr. Trump asked/told Mr. Comey to end it that is entirely within his authority.
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Jun 8 2017, 08:51 AM
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Ever been around politics? This kind of stuff occurs on a daily basis. Again, if that's it, it's a nothingburger.

The president asking the head of the FBI to drop an investigation into a member of his team happens on a daily basis?
Er, no: http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/08/comey-no-trump-didnt-ask-me-to-stop-investigation/

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Former FBI Director James Comey testified before a Senate committee Thursday that President Donald Trump never asked him to end the investigation into Russian election interference.

North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, the Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, asked Comey, “Did the president at any time ask you to stop the FBI investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 U.S. elections?”

The former FBI director replied, “Not to my understanding, no.”

Burr followed up by asking if any member of the administration made this request, and Comey replied, “no.”
You've got your investigations confused.

What Moonbat said (my bolding)

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The president asking the head of the FBI to drop an investigation into a member of his team happens on a daily basis?


Comey stated that Flynn was under criminal investigation.

The Russia investigation is a separate counter-intelligence investigation.

Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness.
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Jun 8 2017, 08:50 AM
The biggest mistake Trump made in all of this was in not having Sessions at these meetings. There is a chain of command, and bypassing Sessions opens all kinds of ugliness.
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So, I'm curious about something. Maybe one of you can clue me in.

When Comey testifies behind closed doors, how does what he say then work its way into the process for any further actions?

If he informs them of facts that would clearly indicate malfeasance, what do they do or how do they do it, when the facts are classified from the public?

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Jun 8 2017, 10:04 AM
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Jun 8 2017, 08:50 AM
The biggest mistake Trump made in all of this was in not having Sessions at these meetings. There is a chain of command, and bypassing Sessions opens all kinds of ugliness.
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Paul Ryan did a good job on this - saying that Trump is not yet familiar with protocol.

Exempting his inexperienced staff from ethics training will help to provide more opportunities for such gaffs in the future.

It does seem clear that the President did try to avoid directly "ordering" Comey to drop the Flynn investigation - but gave the potential appearance of such with the "I hope" wording. Kinda like "it would be a shame if something were to happen to your job" kind of threat that isn't explicit.

I do think Trump has watched how investigations produce smoke - and where there's smoke, there is a presumption of fire. That has been a key tool for congress for the past 20 years - investigate, investigate, and when all else fails, investigate. Did wonders for Bill and Hillary. Trump would like to avoid it for himself - but his attacks on the press and intelligence communities combined with his lack of self discipline may not help the cause.
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Jun 8 2017, 10:37 AM
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Jun 8 2017, 10:04 AM
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The biggest mistake Trump made in all of this was in not having Sessions at these meetings. There is a chain of command, and bypassing Sessions opens all kinds of ugliness.
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Paul Ryan did a good job on this - saying that Trump is not yet familiar with protocol.

Exempting his inexperienced staff from ethics training will help to provide more opportunities for such gaffs in the future.

It does seem clear that the President did try to avoid directly "ordering" Comey to drop the Flynn investigation - but gave the potential appearance of such with the "I hope" wording. Kinda like "it would be a shame if something were to happen to your job" kind of threat that isn't explicit.

I do think Trump has watched how investigations produce smoke - and where there's smoke, there is a presumption of fire. That has been a key tool for congress for the past 20 years - investigate, investigate, and when all else fails, investigate. Did wonders for Bill and Hillary. Trump would like to avoid it for himself - but his attacks on the press and intelligence communities combined with his lack of self discipline may not help the cause.
BS. That's good business protocol as well. If I'm calling in a subordinate two levels down, the intermediary is coming as well.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Jun 8 2017, 11:01 AM
That's good business protocol as well. If I'm calling in a subordinate two levels down, the intermediary is coming as well.
In my experience, the people who break that rule in business are the ones who have personalities similar to Trump.
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No question that Trump was, as usual, ham-fisted in dealing with all this.

His lawyer made thisstatement:

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I am Marc Kasowitz, President Trump's personal lawyer.

Contrary to numerous false press accounts leading up to today's hearing, Mr. Comey has now finally confirmed publicly what he repeatedly told the President privately: The President was not under investigation as part of any probe into Russian interference. He also admitted that there is no evidence that a single vote changed as a result of any Russian interference.

Mr Comey's testimony also makes clear that the President never sought to impede the investigation into attempted Russian interference in the 2016 election, and in fact, according to Mr. Comey, the President told Mr. Comey "it would be good to find out" in that investigation if there were "some 'satellite' associates of his who did something wrong." And he did not exclude anyone from that statement.

Consistent with that statement, the President never, in form or substance, directed or suggested that Mr. Comey stop investigating anyone, including suggesting that that Mr. Comey "let Flynn go." As he publicly stated the next day, he did say to Mr. Comey, "General Flynn is a good guy, he has been through a lot," and also "asked how is General Flynn is doing." Admiral Rogers testified that the President never "directed to do anything . . . illegal, immoral, unethical or inappropriate" and never "pressured to do so." Director Coates said the same thing. The President likewise never pressured Mr. Comey.

The President also never told Mr. Comey, "I need loyalty, I expect loyalty" in form or substance. Of course, the Office of the President is entitled to expect loyalty from those who are serving in an administration, and, from before this President took office to this day, it is overwhelmingly clear that there have been and continue to be those in government who are actively attempting to undermine this administration with selective and illegal leaks of classified information and privileged communications. Mr. Comey has now admitted that he is one of these leakers.

Today, Mr. Comey admitted that he unilaterally and surreptitiously made unauthorized disclosures to the press of privileged communications with the President. The leaks of this privileged information began no later than March 2017 when friends of Mr. Comey have stated he disclosed to them the conversations he had with the President during their January 27, 2017 dinner and February 14, 2017 White House meeting. Today, Mr. Comey admitted that he leaked to friends his purported memos of these privileged conversations, one of which he testified was classified. He also testified that immediately after he was terminated he authorized his friends to leak the contents of these memos to the press in order to "prompt the appointment of a special counsel." Although Mr. Comey testified he only leaked the memos in response to a tweet, the public record reveals that the New York Times was quoting from these memos the day before the referenced tweet, which belies Mr. Comey's excuse for this unauthorized disclosure of privileged information and appears to entirely retaliatory. We will leave it the appropriate authorities to determine whether this leaks should be investigated along with all those others being investigated.

In sum, it is now established that the President was not being investigated for colluding with the Russians or attempting to obstruct that investigation. As the Committee pointed out today, these important facts for the country to know are virtually the only facts that have not leaked during the long course of these events.

As he said yesterday, the President feels completely vindicated and is eager to continue moving forward with his agenda with this public cloud removed.

Thank you.
Which is exactly what I'd expect his lawyer to say.

The bolded part, however, was news to me.
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Jun 8 2017, 11:28 AM
Which is exactly what I'd expect his lawyer to say.

The bolded part, however, was news to me.
So, he's disputing some of what Comey said.

All politics aside, based on what you've seen over the last couple of years, who would you consider the more likely to be honest, Comey or Trump?
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Jun 8 2017, 12:07 PM
All politics aside, based on what you've seen over the last couple of years, who would you consider the more likely to be honest, Comey or Trump?
I assume that question's rhetorical. :lol2:

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