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| Comey Testimony | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 7 2017, 10:57 PM (1,811 Views) | |
| Klaus | Jun 7 2017, 10:57 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/08/politics/james-comey-testimony-donald-trump/index.html Regardless of what one thinks about Trump otherwise, I don't see how anyone, even his biggest fans, can defend Trump on this. It is rather breathtaking how much disregard of the pillars of Western Democracy, specifically the separation of power, this guy displays. |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| Rainman | Jun 7 2017, 11:22 PM Post #2 |
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Give me a break. "We lead with 'bombshell' breaking news." CNN has had it in for Trump forever. This is about as biased as a media outlet can be, with some exceptions. I mean really, read how they present pretty much anything. It is always so heavily peppered with their bias, they don't even care any more if it's crap. Perhaps MSNBC is worse. Breitbart (right wing) does the same, very selective on what they report on, and then in particular the means in which the article is written. MSM is going down the tubes, along with cable outlets. I predict an entire new alternative within maybe 10 years, if they are unable to completely censor the internet. Clickbait can only be used for a while, until people finally get fed up. Edited by Rainman, Jun 7 2017, 11:25 PM.
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| Klaus | Jun 8 2017, 12:41 AM Post #3 |
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CNN's reporting is irrelevant. What counts is the content of the Comey memos. |
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| Moonbat | Jun 8 2017, 12:57 AM Post #4 |
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True believers will defend anything Klaus. I'm surprised you think Trump's TNCR Knights won't try and defend this. |
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| Klaus | Jun 8 2017, 01:08 AM Post #5 |
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You may be right, but this case is a little different. This is not about the usual right wing vs left wing issues. This is about abuse of power, about the rule of law. Usually there is such a wide agreement about these issues that even die-hard fans of Trump might disagree with his behaviour here, even though they like his other policies. I'm sure some will try to attack the credibility of Comey instead, or somehow claim that he meant something else from what he said, or that it wasn't that bad, but I guess this will also cost him a lot of followers. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jun 8 2017, 01:39 AM Post #6 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I have not made up my mind about this. My question is what act rose to the level of obstruction of justice? |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 8 2017, 03:33 AM Post #7 |
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| Copper | Jun 8 2017, 04:13 AM Post #8 |
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What separation? Comey worked for Trump. Separation of power is a completely different thing. That would even work if it was Mr. Obama, the boss can tell the employee what to do. He has the responsibility and authority to do that. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| jon-nyc | Jun 8 2017, 04:44 AM Post #9 |
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Cheers
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It doesn't matter. As Andrew Sullivan pointed out, no matter what he does, to his supporters he'll never be as guilty as the system that confronts him. Kind of like the OJ Simpson supporters, if you get the reference. |
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| Jolly | Jun 8 2017, 05:02 AM Post #10 |
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You mean the same system that let Obama selectively enforce the laws he liked and disregard the ones he didn't? |
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| Jolly | Jun 8 2017, 05:10 AM Post #11 |
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Speaking of silly...In the first place, Trump says Comey told him he was not under investigation. Now, Trump's version and Comey's version differ in the number of times the President was told that, but the fact remains the President was told. Therefore, wherever the Russian stuff goes, it is not evident that anybody at the top levels of the campaign was involved. In the second place, no evidence of collusion has been found with the upper levels of the Trump campaign. Secondly, conversations about whether to go light on somebody, let them walk, etc., take place between politicians all the time. If that's obstruction of justice, you better lock up over half the sheriffs and district attorneys in the country. Obstruction would be if Trump specifically called Comey off and Comey dropped the investigation, which did not happen. If it had, Comey would be just as guilty of obstruction as Trump. Get a grip, people. There might be something in Comey's testimony worth pursuing. Or, it may be hype and a nothingburger, which has happened with the MSM and Trump on more than one occasion. |
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| George K | Jun 8 2017, 05:15 AM Post #12 |
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Don't make me post that New Black Panthers picture. Yes. He has an obligation to report it, and he did not. Edited by George K, Jun 8 2017, 05:16 AM.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Klaus | Jun 8 2017, 05:26 AM Post #13 |
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I think you are confusing "president of a constitutional democracy" with autocracy. Separation of power is not a completely different thing. To the contrary: Separation of power is about having independent justice, independent police etc. |
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| Renauda | Jun 8 2017, 06:08 AM Post #14 |
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Did he now? Seems to me he reported to the AG and was not part the inner cabinet. Besides, did J. Edgar Hoover ever for a moment think he worked for any number of the sitting presidents or, for that matter, AG's? |
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| Larry | Jun 8 2017, 06:33 AM Post #15 |
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Are you referring to the original article that CNN has issued a retraction of because it was based on an "anonymous source" and every "fact" in it was false, or the article they have up now? Because you see, the original article was written before Comey released his statement that has pretty much destroyed every bit of the nonsense you've been reading in the media, and pretty much cleared Trump of everything. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 8 2017, 06:34 AM Post #16 |
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MAMIL
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It seems like only yesterday that Comey was considered to be a national hero by many Trump supporters. Then he was a whackjob. Now his status is indeterminate. |
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| Larry | Jun 8 2017, 06:36 AM Post #17 |
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If you think Comey was considered by Trump supporters to be some sort of hero, then you weren't paying attention. |
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| Copper | Jun 8 2017, 06:37 AM Post #18 |
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I'm not confusing anything. Mr. Comey served at Mr. Trump's pleasure. Mr. Trump was the boss. There was no separation of power and none was intended. The independent justice that you talk about is contained in the Supreme Court which is not connected to the Justice Department where Mr. Comey worked. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 8 2017, 06:37 AM Post #19 |
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MAMIL
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40205461 |
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| Copper | Jun 8 2017, 06:38 AM Post #20 |
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Yes. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Larry | Jun 8 2017, 06:43 AM Post #21 |
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John - Trump's comments about Comey and the FBI have nothing to do with anything. Comey doesn't like the fact that he was fired - what did you expect the man to say? You're grabbing at straws as you try to cling to the storyline that suits you, but that story line collapsed like the house of cards it was, and it's time to let go of it. |
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| George K | Jun 8 2017, 06:51 AM Post #22 |
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It seem like only yesterday plus 4 months that Comey was considered to be a national hero by many Clinton supporters. Then he was a traitor. Now his status is indeterminate. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Renauda | Jun 8 2017, 06:57 AM Post #23 |
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If that's the case, the future of republican governance is tenuous. |
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| Larry | Jun 8 2017, 07:02 AM Post #24 |
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Comey just admitted under oath that the FBI director serves at the pleasure of the president, and the president can fire him at will, for no reason at all. I think you two might be talking passed each other. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 8 2017, 07:10 AM Post #25 |
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MAMIL
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I'm not grabbing at anything, I'm merely reporting what he said. You're the one saying that Comey completely vindicates Trump. When he says something that clearly doesn't vindicate Trump, you say he's only saying it because he was fired. That may be the case, who am I to judge? However, he just said that Trump lied. |
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