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Breaking: Obama illegally spied on citizens for years
Topic Started: May 23 2017, 08:10 PM (307 Views)
Larry
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The democrat party will step up to the plate on this one and do the right thing.....

Oh wait......


http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans
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Wow. Just saw this.

I'm so old that I remember when "Warrentless Wiretaps" were supposedly an impeachable offense.

I'm also so old that I remember when "The Paper of Record" revealed national secrets, even being implored not to by the President of the United States, and it was cheered.
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Larry
May 23 2017, 08:10 PM
The democrat party will step up to the plate on this one and do the right thing.....

Oh wait......


http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans
The GOP holds control of all Senate and House oversight committees now.
What do you expect them to do about this?
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That's a good question.

First of all, this news came to light in the last few months, after the Obama administration was out of office.

Secondly, what recourse do they have? Are these prosecutable crimes?
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George K
May 24 2017, 04:01 PM
That's a good question.

First of all, this news came to light in the last few months, after the Obama administration was out of office.

Secondly, what recourse do they have? Are these prosecutable crimes?
If it meets the threshold of a warrantless wiretap, it's a felony.
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We can't afford to deal with this, because Obama did it so it's ok - we must stay focused on something far more important than violating the civil rights of every single citizen - we must stay focused on prosecuting Trump for saying hi to a Russian.
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Larry
May 24 2017, 04:48 PM
We can't afford to deal with this, ...
Who cannot afford to deal with this?
Mr. Trump's administration? Mr. Session's Justice Department?
The GOP controlled House? The GOP controlled Senate?
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If it's true I certainly hope the current administration does something about it. Unfortunately, I suspect they'd rather use it as a precedent than expose and punish it.
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I'm pretty sure Mr. nobel prize can commit as many felonies as he likes.

Nobody would ever be dumb enough to go after him, not now.
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May 24 2017, 05:23 PM
Larry
May 24 2017, 04:48 PM
We can't afford to deal with this, ...
Who cannot afford to deal with this?
Mr. Trump's administration? Mr. Session's Justice Department?
The GOP controlled House? The GOP controlled Senate?
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May 24 2017, 05:48 PM
If it's true I certainly hope the current administration does something about it. Unfortunately, I suspect they'd rather use it as a precedent than expose and punish it.
+1.

The only way I can see this becoming a big issue for Republicans is if they need to distract everybody from something else.
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Larry
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So....you just dismissed a proven crime committed by Obama, and not only dismissed the democrats from any responsibility, but laid that responsibility on the republicans and then attacked their character..,

Sweet.

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Larry
May 25 2017, 04:59 AM
So....you just dismissed a proven crime committed by Obama, and not only dismissed the democrats from any responsibility, but laid that responsibility on the republicans and then attacked their character..,
That's not what I said at all. I think they should investigate these allegations thoroughly, and if necessary punish whoever is responsible. What Jon and I said was that we don't think they will.

Having a go at me for being cynical about politicians of both sides is pretty silly. They have done plenty to earn this cynicism. You'd do well to be a bit more skeptical about the current President.
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I didn't "have a go" at you for being cynical about politicians, I "had a go " at you for placing the responsibility for dealing with this on the republicans, thereby absolving the democrats of any responsibility and your cynicism.
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May 24 2017, 02:38 PM
I'm so old that I remember when "Warrentless Wiretaps" were supposedly an impeachable offense.
I'm not as old as you, but I remember when they were a patriotic duty.
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Warrantless wiretaps were a patriotic duty???
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H/t John Galt

More of the same ...

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U.S. intelligence agencies conducted illegal surveillance on American citizens over a five-year period, a practice that earned them a sharp rebuke from a secret court that called the matter a “very serious” constitutional issue.

The criticism is in a lengthy secret ruling that lays bare some of the frictions between the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and U.S. intelligence agencies obligated to obtain the court’s approval for surveillance activities.

The ruling, dated April 26 and bearing the label “top secret,” was obtained and published Thursday by the news site Circa.

It is rare that such rulings see the light of day, and the lengthy unraveling of issues in the 99-page document opens a window on how the secret federal court oversees surveillance activities and seeks to curtail those that it deems overstep legal authority.

The document, signed by Judge Rosemary M. Collyer, said the court had learned in a notice filed Oct. 26, 2016, that National Security Agency analysts had been conducting prohibited queries of databases “with much greater frequency than had previously been disclosed to the court.”

It said a judge chastised the NSA’s inspector general and Office of Compliance for Operations for an “institutional ‘lack of candor’ ” for failing to inform the court. It described the matter as “a very serious Fourth Amendment issue.”

The Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government, and is a constitutional bedrock protection against intrusion.



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