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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 17 2017, 08:26 AM (1,381 Views) | |
| Nunatax | Feb 19 2017, 12:49 AM Post #26 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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It's gonna be yuuuuuuuuuuge! |
| You seem somewhat familiar. Have I threatened you before? | |
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| Jolly | Feb 19 2017, 04:29 AM Post #27 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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It's very simple...Leaving aside the mantra of people who think man is the most powerful being in the galaxy, some of us choose to believe that ol' Sol has a lot more to do with global warming than ANYTHING man can do. It also takes into account that no matter what treaties are signed, people will try to circumvent them, for various reasons. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Copper | Feb 19 2017, 04:39 AM Post #28 |
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Shortstop
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Number of single sentence replies claiming the source has no answers: 1 Number of replies ridiculing the source: 1 Number of replies containing even the slightest attempt at addressing the points:0 Another productive day at TNCR. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Mikhailoh | Feb 19 2017, 04:42 AM Post #29 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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There will be a lot of new beachfront to develop! |
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| Moonbat | Feb 19 2017, 05:26 AM Post #30 |
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Pisa-Carp
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You choose to believe that the sun is responsible? Why bother studying anything if we can just choose what to believe? Why measure the global temperatures and solar output? Why carefully collect seismic data to check whether countries are testing nuclear weapons? I would like it to be true that no one is developing nuclear weapons so I'll just choose to believe that. Why research antibiotic resistance when we can just choose to believe that it's not a problem? If you want to build your own personal fantasy, you're going about it the right way. If you want to know what's actually true you are not. |
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| Nunatax | Feb 19 2017, 05:45 AM Post #31 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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The day is young. |
| You seem somewhat familiar. Have I threatened you before? | |
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| Jolly | Feb 19 2017, 06:35 AM Post #32 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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If you want to sit there in your scientific sackcloth and wail in your ashes, be my guest. As for me and my house, we worship the Lord. As such, I don't worry a whole lot about things I can do nothing about. The whole planet is one coronal ejection from being toast, anyway. And I don't think man can do more than spit at global warming. He's just as well off telling the Earth not to shift magenetic poles (something else we can easily scientifically measure and not do a damn thing about). I'll let the guy in Celestial Management worry about that stuff and I'll go about my everyday, mundane activities enjoying life. |
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| Nunatax | Feb 19 2017, 06:40 AM Post #33 |
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I don't think there is anyone who would dispute that if the solar output - for whichever reason - were to suddenly change drastically, it would equally drastically change our climate and there would be nothing we can do about that (so much for being the most powerful being in the galaxy). But while it's pretty obvious the sun could torch us or make us freeze to death, it's also pretty obvious the sun isn't the only force that determines our climate. Having an atmosphere makes a big difference (life or no life type of difference...), and the nature of that difference is determined by that atmosphere's composition. Hence it should be pretty obvious that if that atmosphere's composition changes, that this affects a planet's climate even if the solar output remains the same. That's where it stops being very simple. |
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| Larry | Feb 19 2017, 06:49 AM Post #34 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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This is what happens when you step on their religion (Moonie's and Nunnie's). Neither of them can answer the question, so they simply ridicule the question and those who asked the question. It's perfectly acceptable to say one "chooses to believe the sun is the cause", since you have "chosen" to believe what you believe, with roughly the same amount of evidence existing to support your choice as there is to support Jolly's choice. And I STILL haven't seen either one of you alleged "geniuses" even attempt to explain why there was 10 times more CO2 in the air during an ice age. What's wrong - is the question too tough for you? |
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| Larry | Feb 19 2017, 06:52 AM Post #35 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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If the CO2 levels in the atmosphere increased by a factor of ten, would that be enough to change our climate? And since the current "climate cult" claims that increased CO2 warms the planet, wouldn't that mean the climate would get hotter? Then explain why when it happened we had an ice age. |
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| Moonbat | Feb 19 2017, 06:54 AM Post #36 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Why would I waste my time answer you Larry when you've already admitted that nothing could ever change your mind on climate change? |
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| Larry | Feb 19 2017, 06:57 AM Post #37 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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When did I ever "admit" any such thing? Nice dodge, but I still don't see you addressing the question. It utterly destroys your religion, and you have no answer. |
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| Nunatax | Feb 19 2017, 07:21 AM Post #38 |
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Please show me where I have ridiculed the question? And all I have ever received from Copper are sarcastic responses, so why bother responding with anything serious?
I did not post that link to ridicule your question but did so because it addresses it. Click the "intermediate" tab too if you like, there's a nice description and graph on the combined radiative forcing of CO2 and the sun throughout the Phanerozoic. As is also explained there, there is no serious climate scientist who would ever claim that CO2 is the only driver of the climate. It's perfectly possible to have differing temperatures at similar CO2 levels if other conditions (e.g. the solar output) are different. Therefore, you cannot plot temperature against CO2 levels alone and expect a clear correlation, particularly not on timescales long enough for the other conditions that affect the climate to be very different from what they are today. |
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| Larry | Feb 19 2017, 07:39 AM Post #39 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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So in other words, CO2 is not causing warming, and therefore human activity has little to nothing to do with climate change, and those of us who contend that man has nothing to do with it have been right all along. Got it. |
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| Moonbat | Feb 19 2017, 07:40 AM Post #40 |
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Pisa-Carp
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http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/topic/7108068/2/?x=30 I and others have answered numerous of your 'questions' over the years but it makes no difference because you have no interest in finding out the truth. You look for supposed problems with the theory of anthropogenic mediated climate change because you are ideologically opposed to the solutions to that problem. Or perhaps because the tribe you hate thinks it's important. Answering 'your' questions makes no difference. (And we all know you just copy paste from one of your nutter blogs anyway) No matter the weight evidence you will never believe humans burning carbon is changing global temperatures. Hell Nunatax already provided some answers on this particular matter though you probably didn't even read it because you're not interested. |
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| Larry | Feb 19 2017, 07:44 AM Post #41 |
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No, I just had it explained to me - CO2 does not cause warming, which means humans have no effect on the climate. |
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| jon-nyc | Feb 19 2017, 07:47 AM Post #42 |
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Cheers
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That really puts a button on it. |
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| Renauda | Feb 19 2017, 07:54 AM Post #43 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Don't you just hate it when the free will and reason of humanity interferes with your leisure time. |
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| Larry | Feb 19 2017, 07:58 AM Post #44 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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No, it has been explained to me, and I agree with the explanation. the reason you can have ten times the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere and an ice age at the same time is because CO2 has little to do with warming. I accept this answer. I'm just waiting for it to hit you "man made global warming" cultists that this also means that man has little to nothing to do with climate change. |
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| Jolly | Feb 19 2017, 08:08 AM Post #45 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I do, but it doesn't happen very often. |
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| Nunatax | Feb 19 2017, 08:38 AM Post #46 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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What you have done is completely misinterpret the explanation. Let's try with a very simple experiment. Imagine making a pot of tea on a very cold winter day. Inside you have a comfortable 21°C, while outside it is freezing -10°C. Inside it will be possible to keep the tea at a nice 50°C with only one tea light, while outside it will cool down to below 20°C even with 2 tea lights. While the final temperature of the tea will most certainly be warmer when putting one or more tea lights under it than when you don't, the tea can still be colder when placed outside and having more tea lights under it than inside. Now imagine that the air temperature is a function of the solar output and the tea lights represent CO2... |
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| Larry | Feb 19 2017, 08:50 AM Post #47 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Make up your f*cking mind, find one answer and stick to it. |
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| Jolly | Feb 19 2017, 08:51 AM Post #48 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Absolute BS. Their theory has a ton of holes in it and is certainly far from settled science. 1. There have been many times in the past where earth has been much warmer than it is now, with nary a BMW 300 series or a coal fired power plant in sight. 2. There have been many times in the past with much higher CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere, which do not correlate with their current scientific models. 3. The primary cause of increased CO2 in the atmosphere, is not due to carbon emissions, but to deforestation. Too many humans - we need a global die-off and things will be better, at least in terms of CO2 levels. 4. As I understand it, palaeobathymetry does not support rising ocean levels with temperature in a geological sense. And ocean levels have risen and fallen in the past without correlation with global temperature. 5. Global warming and mass extinction events do not correlate. In fact, the last mass extinction even occurred during an ice age. |
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| Nunatax | Feb 20 2017, 01:48 AM Post #49 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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It's you who needs to make up your mind. You asked for an answer and got one. Now be happy! |
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| Klaus | Feb 20 2017, 02:09 AM Post #50 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Jolly, I think one aspect that you are missing is this: If you accelerate from 0 to 1000 mph within one hour, nobody gets hurt. If you accelerate from 0 to 1000 mph within one second, you are dead. Mass extinctions are caused by rapid changes. I'm sure that even if you'd increase the mean temperature by 50 degrees, no mass extinction would happen if you'd spread the change over a billion years of evolution. |
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