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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 17 2017, 08:26 AM (1,379 Views) | |
| Mikhailoh | Feb 17 2017, 08:26 AM Post #1 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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(and everyone else, of course) Is there anything to what this guy says? http://principia-scientific.org/chemistry-expert-carbon-dioxide-cant-cause-global-warming/
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| Copper | Feb 17 2017, 08:35 AM Post #2 |
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I had an uncle who taught meteorology at the Naval Academy and worked as a scientist at Woods Hole for a number of years. He went on arctic expeditions to study weather. He knew weather. He used to ask that first question. He blamed the sun. And he was a guy born and raised in Boston, he knew the question was heresy. And the second question needs a question mark. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Klaus | Feb 17 2017, 08:46 AM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The article sounds like BS to me. Scientists do look at the sun. A lot. For instance, they study the cycle of solar flares and its influence on climate.
What does our energy production have to do with that? The sun is the source of the energy, and the amount of solar energy reaching the earth is much higher than our energy production.
Also sounds like BS to me. That number may be true if you'd heat the air to 4000˚C and then turn off the sun, but the sun is shining constantly, so even a very small temperature difference will eventually heat the water. |
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| jon-nyc | Feb 17 2017, 10:20 AM Post #4 |
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Cheers
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He's assuming the warming occurs through conduction rather than radiation. It's a deeply ignorant piece. |
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| Moonbat | Feb 17 2017, 10:30 AM Post #5 |
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Pisa-Carp
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No. |
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| Copper | Feb 17 2017, 10:40 AM Post #6 |
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Well of course compared to tncr posters the guy is ignorant. Who isn't?! But at least he is willing to ask the question. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Moonbat | Feb 17 2017, 10:58 AM Post #7 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Compared to an average Imperial second year chemistry undergraduate he's ignorant. Actually probably even a first year could spot the problems with his calculations.
Because no one has ever considered the extent to which variation in the sun causes variation in temperatures on Earth before. Edit: Btw. that was literally the first google hit, there are many many papers on the subject. If you bothered to look you'd see that scientists have been 'asking the question' continuously for the last 50 years. It's just that you don't like the answer. |
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| John D'Oh | Feb 17 2017, 11:15 AM Post #8 |
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MAMIL
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The author is a political candidate for the Christian Democrat Party in Australia As far as I can tell, they're a fringe political party in New South Wales. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Copper | Feb 17 2017, 11:20 AM Post #9 |
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Yes, exactly, that is the kind of rant that ruins the good work of real scientists. Of course the first year will spot the errors. The second year will understand that is how progress is made. And the tncr will jam it down his throat. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Moonbat | Feb 17 2017, 11:24 AM Post #10 |
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Pisa-Carp
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No dude, second years don't think progress is made by people who don't have a basic grasp of the subject matter. There's a reason they actually bother studying. |
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| John D'Oh | Feb 17 2017, 11:48 AM Post #11 |
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MAMIL
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I haven't done any actual science since I graduated in 1985, and even I can see the flaw in the reasoning. If this guy's actually got a doctorate in Chemistry, then he's being deliberately misleading, or as we say in the old country, lying. |
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| Copper | Feb 17 2017, 12:10 PM Post #12 |
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You're right. It goes Rote, Understanding, Application and Correlation doesn't it? So the above article is really for the fourth year. Or for tncr. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| John D'Oh | Feb 17 2017, 12:33 PM Post #13 |
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MAMIL
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We did puzzles like that in High School physics - they would present some dodgy half-baked argument, and we'd have to find the flaws. There was one where they suggested towing icebergs to the Indian ocean or something to save the fuel used in freezing them. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Catseye3 | Feb 17 2017, 12:48 PM Post #14 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Sarah Palin was all over this, but she was |
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| Larry | Feb 17 2017, 04:00 PM Post #15 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Explain this, then: According to NASA, the current CO2 level is 400 ppm. During the late Ordovician era, some 444 million years ago, CO2 levels were more than 4,000 ppm. There were no oil wells. There were no automobiles, factories burning coal, etc. Yet with 10 times more CO2 in the atmosphere than we have today, the planet was locked in an Ice Age that lasted for more than one million years. Two hundred million years later, during the Jurassic period, CO2 levels were 2,000 ppm. There were no oil wells. There were no cars, no factories burning coal..... yet with CO2 levels 5 times higher than today, during the end of the Jurassic period, the planet was again locked in an Ice Age. So here's my question: If CO2 causes the planet to heat up, why was there an Ice Age at the same time that CO2 levels were 5 and 10 times higher than today? Secondly, if burning fossil fuels is the cause of increased CO2 levels, why were CO2 levels 5 and 10 times higher during eras millions of years long that had no fossil fuels - or humans, for that matter - to generate CO2? Edited by Larry, Feb 17 2017, 04:02 PM.
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| Larry | Feb 17 2017, 04:04 PM Post #16 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Here's what I think - I think those of you who enjoy gazing at your navels and telling yourself you're smarter than other people will attempt to dismiss this problem in your theory, when it seems quite obvious that neither man nor CO2 has a damned thing to do with climate change. |
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| Nobody's Sock | Feb 17 2017, 04:43 PM Post #17 |
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Fulla-Carp
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It's good to know Larry will always be here to give the counterpoint. It's all about balance
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| Copper | Feb 17 2017, 04:48 PM Post #18 |
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Obviously when we invent time travel we send all the CO2 back there. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Renauda | Feb 17 2017, 05:13 PM Post #19 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Hell, if they invent travel to go back in time, I'd rather go back two thousand years to check out Larry's empty tomb story than waste my time going back to the Age of the Flintstones. |
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| Nunatax | Feb 18 2017, 04:10 AM Post #20 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Here's what they have to say at SkepticalScience. |
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| Larry | Feb 18 2017, 05:35 AM Post #21 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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So what you're saying is, real scientists don't have an answer to my question? |
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| Nunatax | Feb 18 2017, 06:04 AM Post #22 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Nope, that's not what I'm saying. |
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| Jolly | Feb 18 2017, 06:30 AM Post #23 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Don't have to say it, the evidence provided speaks for itself. |
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| Copper | Feb 18 2017, 07:30 AM Post #24 |
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Those guys are so negative about everything. I like warm weather, I think most people prefer warm weather. They don't even mention that. Or the millions of other great things about changed climate. They do mention one of the "myths" is that it is "not bad". Their proof that it is bad is that they can't think of anything good. Hahahahah |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Nunatax | Feb 19 2017, 12:47 AM Post #25 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Number of single sentence replies claiming the source has no answers: 2 Number of replies ridiculing the source: 1 Number of replies containing even the slightest attempt at addressing the points:0 Another productive day at TNCR. |
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