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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 30 2016, 01:35 PM (178 Views) | |
| George K | Oct 30 2016, 01:35 PM Post #1 |
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Wash U stops training docs with sedated cats
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| The Bee | Oct 30 2016, 01:44 PM Post #2 |
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| Larry | Oct 30 2016, 01:53 PM Post #3 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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| Jolly | Oct 30 2016, 02:13 PM Post #4 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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It ain't easy to intubate a baby. Shucks, a lot of docs have a heckuva time with a full grown adult. But, I guess it's better blow some poor kid's stomach up than possibly, repeat possibly, hurt a cat. This old world is becoming more and more similar to the reason why Mickey Mouse divorced Minnie Mouse...It's just fvcking goofy... |
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| George K | Oct 30 2016, 02:18 PM Post #5 |
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Intubating a newborn has always been a sphincter-tightening experience. Fortunately, once we got neonatologists attending our C-Sections, my responsibilities declined. Intubating newborns was part of my training, and I always had an experienced attending with me when we did it. I don't know how I would have done it without someone holding my hand, or having the experience of a good alternative. That said, I haven't looked at the simulators in years and years. Last time I looked they were pretty shitty, and unlike the real world in a million ways. Perhaps they've gotten better. Nevertheless, there's nothing like learning on something that's living and breathing. There's something to be said about the value of the pucker-factor in medical education. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| blondie | Oct 30 2016, 04:44 PM Post #6 |
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Maybe the simulators are better now? We used cats for PALS but they were really sick lab cats to begin with and were euthanized right afterwards. I'm told it's way easier to intubate a cat. |
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| George K | Oct 30 2016, 04:50 PM Post #7 |
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I've never intubated a cat, so I can't speak to how difficult it is. But, as I said, a newborn is difficult. Fortunately, I had good teachers. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| blondie | Oct 30 2016, 05:03 PM Post #8 |
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Well I just asked. Apparently the simulators are so sophisticated now they can fake pretty realistic seizures. Cats were pretty easy. They're wide. |
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| George K | Oct 30 2016, 05:07 PM Post #9 |
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Interesting. But, as I said, there's nothing like that "Oh-my-god-this-thing-is going-to-die" feeling that can't be matched by any simulator. No one dies if you fuck up on a simulator. The simulation may be good, and accurate, but it'll never introduce the adrenalin rush of the real thing. When I was teaching, I had the residents hold their breath when they took the mask off the patient. "If your patient's holding his/her breath, so are you. Let's see how good you are." |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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