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| Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 24 2016, 01:43 PM (251 Views) | |
| George K | Oct 24 2016, 01:43 PM Post #1 |
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Finally
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All is proceeding according to plan:
Non biased story there: "Republicans will pounce..." Meanwhile, in Chicago none of the major medical centersnone of the major medical centers are part of the network:
ER Visits up
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| Copper | Oct 24 2016, 03:38 PM Post #2 |
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Apparently forcing insurers to pay for expensive treatment can cost a lot of money. Live and learn. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| taiwan_girl | Oct 25 2016, 07:12 PM Post #3 |
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I would be interested to hear what people on this forum board think should be the alternative. I think it is a good idea that everybody has insurance. It would be interesting to see if total medical costs are up. I think previously, a lot of people without insurance were just not paying for their medical care. They would still go to the doctor, but without insurance, either unable or not willing to pay for the treatment. So, either the hospital or government would be responsible for the cost. Now, I think some of these costs have been shifted to the insurance companies. |
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 25 2016, 07:22 PM Post #4 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Everybody doesn't have insurance. A lot of people who could afford it before cannot now because premiums have gone up so much. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Copper | Oct 25 2016, 07:41 PM Post #5 |
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There is no magic here. Shifting costs from the government to insurance companies means shifting from taxpayers to taxpayers. The problem is that insurance companies are being forced to pay for services that weren't supplied before. Again, there is no magic, those new services cost money. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| taiwan_girl | Oct 25 2016, 07:53 PM Post #6 |
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I read somewhere that the government support is increasing so alot of people will not see any of their own cost increase. Again, I think it comes down to the total cost of all the medical care (when you subtract the inflation factor). I am not sure that amount is really going up much. yes, there have been statistics that more people are visiting the emergency room, but maybe these people are just going when they feel a little bit sick rather than waiting until they are alot sick. In this case, maybe total medical costs are less?? No easy answers, but still do believe that the more people that have insurance, the better.
I agree with this. I dont have any answers but would be curious for those that disagree with the Obama insurance would think it should be replaced with? |
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 25 2016, 08:01 PM Post #7 |
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Where do you think the government GETS that money to support this?
No, there was just a study the other day that showed that in fact ER visits have increase, because now more poor people have insurance (read Medicaid) and that is where they are used to obtaining care. Until we start turning away non-emergencies it will continue to rise. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Rainman | Oct 25 2016, 08:53 PM Post #8 |
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Well, given the unexpected costs this year, and the insurmountable expected cost increases next year, I am toying with the following, just to keep things "even-keel" in terms of family budget: Drop Comcast TV, keep internet only. Drop AT&T land line (have kept this only because our cell signal sux at our house) Reduce fun: decrease restaurants, concerts, fast food. No going to the Mall for clothes etc. not really needed. Avoid Costco. Contact Allstate, review and reduce all coverage (home/auto/trailer) Reduce travel. Cut way back on Xmas gifts. No more donations to my usual charities. Anyone got more ideas? I'm taking a serious hit due to "Obamacare." Darn, I hate being a "middle class" sucker. |
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| Improviso | Oct 26 2016, 03:08 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I had the same problem years ago. Had to stand in the driveway to make a call. Bought this one and it solved the problem. Great signal thru out the whole house. https://www.amazon.com/zBoost-YX-510-Signal-Booster-Office/dp/B000J2XZ1K/ref=pd_sxp_f_r This one is not available now, but you get the idea. Well worth it to me. |
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Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism. We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Oct 26 2016, 03:14 AM Post #10 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Yeah. Tell me again who is killing the middle class? |
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| Copper | Oct 26 2016, 06:05 AM Post #11 |
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Yes, you understand correctly, this is the intent of Obamacare. I'm sure your wealth will be properly redistributed by the insurance company. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Rainman | Oct 27 2016, 11:51 AM Post #12 |
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My son had a root canal this morning, no dental insurance. The procedure, plus temporary crown and then permanent crown will cost out of pocket, around $3000.00 Could someone explain to me why this is so expensive? It's like what, a couple of hours of specialized labor, and pocket change for materials. Geesh. I could buy a decent used car for this amount of money. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Oct 27 2016, 11:56 AM Post #13 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Mik had a good point about this a few days (or weeks) back. I still believe that the cost of medical care in America is exorbitant, but we also don't see everything that goes into one procedure. We only see what's in the room. |
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| Rainman | Oct 27 2016, 12:17 PM Post #14 |
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A neighbor down the street needed dentures, he went to Mexico to get it done and I guess saved a bunch. My mom needed a partial years ago, went to Estonia to visit family and had the procedure done while there, saved a bunch of money. And as I mentioned in another thread, my daughter stepped across the border into Mexico, and bought prescription medication for $7.50, which on this side of the border would have cost approx. $80. Messed up all around, IMO. |
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| Copper | Oct 27 2016, 12:22 PM Post #15 |
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You don't have the insurance company negotiating prices. I buy my own insurance in the marketplace. I have a very high deductible but I pay rates negotiated by the insurance company. Recent dermatologist bill - $731, I paid the negotiated rate $281. Recent Eye checkup - $200 - I paid $121. Both of those doctor visits involved only a few minutes each with the doctor. Lately I've been thinking that the purpose of the insurance is the lower rates. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Oct 27 2016, 12:55 PM Post #16 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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A medication I use daily is $50 here in the U.S.—and that's the cheapest I found it. In Oz it's 8 damn dollars. You can even get it in Cuba for cheaper. If I could go there and stock up I totally would. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| Rainman | Oct 27 2016, 12:59 PM Post #17 |
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