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| The Debate | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 25 2016, 02:00 PM (2,892 Views) | |
| QuantumIvory | Sep 27 2016, 09:47 AM Post #101 |
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Senior Carp
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McMullin's on the ballot in Virginia and 34 other states (and still counting). You could always vote for him, LD (you too Cats!). Unfortunately for me, he's not (so far) on the ballot in Indiana.
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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. We cannot get behind consciousness." -Max Planck | |
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| Larry | Sep 27 2016, 10:42 AM Post #102 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Well, it's the day after, and here's the tally so far: * Every single snap poll in the nation except for CNN has Trump winning the debate - often by huge margins. * Hillary lost support among independents, and even democrats * Michael Moore tweeted that democrats need to face reality - Trump won the debate, and will win the election. * A focus group of mostly democrats and independents assembled by the Charlotte Observer in the battleground state of North Carolina ended with the undecideds moving away from Clinton, and some that supported her before the debate changed their mind after the debate. * Hillary has lost ground in battle states *California, having already been told who to vote for, busied themselves with worrying about whether or not porn stars are wearing condoms |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 27 2016, 10:48 AM Post #103 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| sue | Sep 27 2016, 10:48 AM Post #104 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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So I watched a bit, out of curiousity. Wasn't what I would call a debate, more like 2 loud kids having a playground squabble, but like I said I bailed pretty early. My question to you guys who watched the whole show, do you believe anyone watching it may have changed their minds about who to vote for? I have to wonder how much of a waste of time the whole episode was. |
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| Larry | Sep 27 2016, 10:52 AM Post #105 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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According to the news stories today, most people were not swayed by the debate, most thought Trump won it, any small movement seemed to all be among democrats and undecideds moving away from Clinton, but not necessarily to Trump, that Hillary came off as a bitch with nothing of substance to say, and that Trump could have done a lot better than he did. |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 27 2016, 11:02 AM Post #106 |
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That may be true. It may be a bit Quixotic to go for Johnson or Stein or McMullin, but the numbers will be noticed nationwide. That has an effect on the next election, which stands to be worse than this one. This is how third party viability becomes reality. |
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| Larry | Sep 27 2016, 11:08 AM Post #107 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Don't assume a Trump presidency will end up causing the republicans to lose elections next time. It might just turn out that once he doesn't have to campaign and can actually get down to the business of doing the job, he ends up doing a good job and saving the republican party from itself. |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 27 2016, 11:09 AM Post #108 |
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He might. But I rather doubt it. |
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| Larry | Sep 27 2016, 11:12 AM Post #109 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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I think he will. I read an article a couple of weeks ago about what it would mean for the democrat party if Hillary loses. The drift was that if Hillary loses, the democrat party will be out for decades as it tears itself apart trying to figure out why they lost. And I honestly do not think the democrat politicians have a clue how far removed they are from the American public. |
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| John D'Oh | Sep 27 2016, 11:29 AM Post #110 |
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MAMIL
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Ah yes, the four yearly re-emergence of the imminent permanent majority. Where would we be without it? What actually happens of course is that everybody* votes Republican because they're sick of the asshole Democrats. Then people realize the Republicans are a bunch of assholes, and being feeble-minded at best, totally forget that the Democrats are also assholes, so they vote for them. And so it goes on.... (* - When I say "everybody", I mean roughly 5% of the voting population, or whatever the number actually is) |
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| Axtremus | Sep 27 2016, 11:50 AM Post #111 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Debate breaks record as most-watched in U.S. history http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/27/media/debate-ratings-record-viewership/index.html |
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| John D'Oh | Sep 27 2016, 11:57 AM Post #112 |
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MAMIL
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For somebody who won so convincingly, Trump's certainly whining a lot. |
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| Luke's Dad | Sep 27 2016, 11:59 AM Post #113 |
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Emperor Pengin
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Dance with the person that brought you to the ball. |
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| Copper | Sep 27 2016, 12:19 PM Post #114 |
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Shortstop
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| George K | Sep 27 2016, 12:38 PM Post #115 |
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Finally
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Pantsuit on Fire?
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Luke's Dad | Sep 27 2016, 12:43 PM Post #116 |
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Emperor Pengin
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But...But...Wealth inequality! |
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| Copper | Sep 27 2016, 12:51 PM Post #117 |
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Shortstop
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Ms. Clinton has it made. She can say whatever she wants and it doesn't really matter. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Catseye | Sep 27 2016, 01:33 PM Post #118 |
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Pisa-Carp
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Dance with the person |
| "How awful a knowledge of the truth can be." -- Sophocles, Oedipus Rex | |
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| Axtremus | Sep 27 2016, 01:51 PM Post #119 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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No "but" about it. Wealth and/or income inequality is indeed the counter argument to the sort of stuff that George quoted from Forbes. The rich still pays proportionally less tax if their tax liability goes up proportionally less than their wealth and/or income. Consider this very simple example to illustrate the point: At year 2000, suppose Mr. Rich owned 25% of the nation's wealth and paid 10% of the nation's taxes. Fast forward to year 2015, suppose Mr. Rich owned 50% of the nation's wealth and paid 15% of the nation's taxes. If you only look at the tax portion going from 10% to 15% (as a percentage of total taxes in the nation), it may look like Mr. Rich has paid 50% more taxes. But if you also see that Mr. Rich's assets have grown from 25% to 50% (as a percentage of total wealth in the nation), that's 100% growth in his share of the nation's wealth. Comparing a 100% growth in his share of the nation's wealth to only a 50% growth in his share of the nation's taxes, I think most English speakers will agree that Mr. Rich has enjoyed a "tax cut" as a manner of speaking. |
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| Steve Miller | Sep 27 2016, 01:52 PM Post #120 |
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Bull-Carp
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Trump can too, apparently. This is the strangest election ever. |
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| George K | Sep 27 2016, 01:58 PM Post #121 |
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We can discuss whether that's a factor, but Mrs. Clinton's claim that the "richest" is, on it's face, false, because, as the charts demonstrate, they paid not only a greater percentage, but also more in absolute numbers. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Axtremus | Sep 27 2016, 02:06 PM Post #122 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Absolute numbers are even worse. Inflation itself can easily make the absolute number bigger without the rich paying a proportionally bigger fraction of the nation's taxes. |
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| George K | Sep 27 2016, 02:08 PM Post #123 |
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I'll let you do the calculations. Here's a link to help you: http://www.usinflationcalculator.com |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Axtremus | Sep 27 2016, 02:09 PM Post #124 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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BTW, if that's the worst the fact-checkers can do with everything that Hillary Clinton has said in the debate, then she was being very much truthful throughout that debate.
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| George K | Sep 27 2016, 02:14 PM Post #125 |
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Finally
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Wanna address your comment?
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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