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The Debate
Topic Started: Sep 25 2016, 02:00 PM (2,894 Views)
Larry
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Copper
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How many crowd outbursts were there from each side?

Where the outbursts evenly chastised by the moderator?
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Sep 26 2016, 05:08 PM
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Sep 26 2016, 02:33 PM
Hell, I started drinking back when Nixon waved the last good-bye for reporters gathered on the White House lawn.
And the mark from the champagne cork is still on the ceiling, I bet.
I can assure you, in those days we would have been finger snapping beer bottle caps across the room or at the TV.
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Copper
Sep 26 2016, 07:12 PM
How many crowd outbursts were there from each side?

Where the outbursts evenly chastised by the moderator?
Yeah, actually they were. Outbursts were minimal.
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Sep 26 2016, 07:05 PM
Larry
Sep 26 2016, 07:01 PM
Drudge has a poll up to vote for who you think won the devate. As of 10:00pm EST:

Trump: 90.37% @ 17,424 votes

Clinton: 9.63% @ 1857 votes
Wow! That's amazing that an independent and totally unbiased site with such a wide demographic as Drudge scored so lopsidedly!
Trump would do better if he didn't have so many sociopath followers ready to lie for him. He'd do better to let the facts speak for themselves.
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I think that is true.
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Trump appeals to some strong emotions - and emotions are where a lot of decisions are made.
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That was Tom's way of calling me a sociopath.
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Trump is a smart guy, made billions, but he's an idiot.

He had ample opportunities to fire back, but didn't. He was like a teenager explaining why he got home after curfew.

For example, when talking about race issues, why didn't he blast away at creating jobs for the urban minority community, ask them to think about where democrat policies and interventions have destroyed their communities, etc. etc. for decades? Low skilled immigration brings down wages, no possible upward economic mobility in the urban poor areas, no point in getting an education if there are not jobs or no hope, sell drugs join gangs . Easy stuff Big Don!!

I'm not saying I'm right in the above as an analysis, but he was given an open door to underscore his mantra, low hanging fruit (so to speak) but completely failed IMO.

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Sep 26 2016, 09:52 PM
Trump is a smart guy, made billions, but he's an idiot.

He had ample opportunities to fire back, but didn't. He was like a teenager explaining why he got home after curfew.

For example, when talking about race issues, why didn't he blast away at creating jobs for the urban minority community, ask them to think about where democrat policies and interventions have destroyed their communities, etc. etc. for decades? Low skilled immigration brings down wages, no possible upward economic mobility in the urban poor areas, no point in getting an education if there are not jobs or no hope, sell drugs join gangs . Easy stuff Big Don!!

I'm not saying I'm right in the above as an analysis, but he was given an open door to underscore his mantra, low hanging fruit (so to speak) but completely failed IMO.


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This.

He was always a savant -- good at making money and not much else.

It was never Trump who is the candidate in this election; it was always his money. His money won him every advance he has made. He "has a lot of money and he is really, really smart", and that captured enough support to send him off and running. His money put him on the map, and he's just been trailing around after it. Many people here in TNCR are better versed in these issues than Trump. How much national support would Rainman or Renauda get? Yet, I would vote for either of them instantly over Trump, based solely on their posts here.

That writer last week (?) that Horace posted made one of the most salient points of the campaign when he pointed out the 'false equivalence' of Trump as a presidential candidate. Rainman is right on the money (so to speak): Hopefully the debate will -- not demonstrate, because Trump has already demonstrated it in many ways, but underline how absurdly unqualified he is for this vital position.

It's time to leave the monkey house and re-enter the real world. Trump was up there tonight because Hillary is so bloody awful, and Hillary was up there because Donald Trump is preposterous.
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The comedians on The Debate ...

Seth Meyer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8syBrqA1r8


Stephen Colbert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqMQDiIiHbk


Trevor Noah:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/79aqpx/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-sparks-fly-at-the-first-trump-clinton-presidential-debate
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You really think I'm going to watch half an hour (actually a bit more) of these guys saying what we knew they were going to be saying months ago?

Nope.

Here's the WSJ take: Underwhelming:

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The two most unpopular presidential candidates in modern history had their first debate Monday, and the best we can say is that they lived up to those expectations. Hillary Clinton offered a relentless assault on Donald Trump’s business record and qualifications to be President, but she offered little reason to believe she would lift the country out of its economic and psychological funk. Mr. Trump made the case for change, but in a blunderbuss fashion that will have voters wondering if he knows enough for the job.

There’s little doubt that Mrs. Clinton won on debating points. She can master a briefing book, and from the first answer she dumped most of it on Mr. Trump. The central argument of her campaign is to elect her because the New Yorker is “unfit” to be President, and her strategy was to taunt him with attacks on his business record that always seem to drive him to distraction.

And sure enough, Mr. Trump often took the bait, wasting time on details about his company’s history while barely going on offense against the Clinton Foundation. He also couldn’t resist a long, defensive explanation of his opposition to the Iraq war and why he hasn’t released his tax returns.

These columns warned Mr. Trump—and GOP voters—during the primaries that by not releasing his returns he was giving Democrats an opening to assert what he might be “hiding.” Mrs. Clinton took full advantage, offering a list of imagined horribles and even suggesting he might have paid “zero” taxes.

On policy Mrs. Clinton rolled out her list of seemingly endless programs that amount to the agenda of the last eight years, only more so. She has a government solution to every social and economic anxiety, and if you like the current economy she is your candidate.

That unhappy status quo remains Mr. Trump’s opening, yet he missed more chances than he hit. Offered a lay-up opportunity at the start on the economy, he sounded a Donny-one-note on trade—as if cutting imports is the magic cure for 1% growth. He eventually got around to touting his tax cut, albeit with few specifics, but he barely mentioned the burden of regulation.

The Republican did better on race and crime, showing a sympathy on the question while calling for “law and order.” He also had a better grasp of the legal history of New York’s “stop and frisk” policing than moderator Lester Holt, who took the liberal line that it was declared “unconstitutional.” That ruling was by a lower court judge whose bias was rebuked by an appellate court, and then New York’s new mayor dropped the city’s appeal.

Speaking of Mr. Holt, he clearly took to heart the liberal media assault on his colleague Matt Lauer three weeks ago, as his questions and fact-checking tilted in Mrs. Clinton’s direction. Mr. Holt challenged Mr. Trump on his dubious claim that he opposed the Iraq war before the invasion, but he didn’t challenge Mrs. Clinton on her false claim that George W. Bush decided the U.S. should pull out of Iraq in 2011. If you think we’re wrong, watch who praises Mr. Holt this week.

For all of Mr. Trump’s substantive weaknesses, the challenger did score points by portraying Mrs. Clinton as an architect of America’s current malaise. His taunt that she has been around “for 30 years” strikes home. The central question in the election is coming down to whether an American majority that wants a change in direction is willing to take the risk on Mr. Trump to deliver it. It’s still a question after Monday night.
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So to summarise, would it be fair to say that most conservatives seem to think Hillary did slightly better, and most liberals seem to think Hillary did a lot better?

(I watched 30 seconds of it, and then went back to playing guitar.)
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The central question in the election is coming down to whether an American majority that wants a change in direction is willing to take the risk on Mr. Trump to deliver it. It’s still a question after Monday night.
Just curious, George, is/was that the central question for you? Is it still a question for you at this point?
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Larry
Sep 26 2016, 08:49 PM
That was Tom's way of calling me a sociopath.
What I was referring to was the Drudge poll, not that comment. Yeah, that was another dig. :rolleyes2:
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Just curious, George, is/was that the central question for you? Is it still a question for you at this point?

I have no idea. I think the WSJ is wrong in their statement that there's a question about people wanting a change. Last poll I saw showed that (close to) 30% of the country is going in the wrong direction.

I have no idea whether Trump is able to do that. I feel that Hillary is will not.
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On Holt - this is what I saw too,. He was very quick to challenge Trump, but not Clinton.

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Speaking of Mr. Holt, he clearly took to heart the liberal media assault on his colleague Matt Lauer three weeks ago, as his questions and fact-checking tilted in Mrs. Clinton’s direction. Mr. Holt challenged Mr. Trump on his dubious claim that he opposed the Iraq war before the invasion, but he didn’t challenge Mrs. Clinton on her false claim that George W. Bush decided the U.S. should pull out of Iraq in 2011. If you think we’re wrong, watch who praises Mr. Holt this week.


And here we have the money shot. If that is what you want, vote Clinton. She never ONCE mentioned the enormous debt, only saying she would tax the wealthy. The wealthy combined do not have enough to pay for her programs.

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On policy Mrs. Clinton rolled out her list of seemingly endless programs that amount to the agenda of the last eight years, only more so. She has a government solution to every social and economic anxiety, and if you like the current economy she is your candidate.






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Frank Luntz have these to share:
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"So far, 17 people in my group say Hillary is winning; 3 say Trump.

Tax question weakened him, birther question destroyed him. #DebateNight"
Source: https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/780589729544667136

On the final tally:
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Who won tonite's debate?
In my focus group, 6 people said Trump and 16 said Clinton. #DebateNight
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But remember, Trump says mean things:

https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/780588448470163456

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Sep 27 2016, 05:01 AM
I could see that coming from comedians/entertainers (Colbert and Noah made that joke), but not from a politician of respectable stature. This should have been below Howard Dean.
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Sep 27 2016, 04:45 AM
In my focus group, 6 people said Trump and 16 said Clinton. #DebateNight
Some "snap polls"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html

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Sep 27 2016, 05:04 AM
I could see that coming from comedians/entertainers (Colbert and Noah made that joke), but not from a politician of respectable stature. This should have been below Howard Dean.
And ordinarily I'd care about it, but considering how his own campaign imploded I don't really care. He can say whatever he wants.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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That's kind of how I feel about it too. He has reached a point of irrelevance.
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