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| Larry | Sep 19 2016, 05:21 AM Post #51 |
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I do. I don't have to borrow money at all any more. But that wasn't always the case, and most businesses do have to borrow money to get started. But leave it to you to jump all over that instead of seeing the actual point of the discussion. Edited by Larry, Sep 19 2016, 05:23 AM.
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| John D'Oh | Sep 19 2016, 05:26 AM Post #52 |
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Yeah, that type of libertarian argument is great in theory, but the world doesn't actually work like that in reality. |
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| Larry | Sep 19 2016, 05:27 AM Post #53 |
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Who do you know that is working in a job they are not allowed to quit if they choose to do so? |
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| John D'Oh | Sep 19 2016, 05:40 AM Post #54 |
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That's not really the point. Just quitting and walking away from a job isn't always that easy, particularly for the large number of people that work from paycheck-to-paycheck. I know quite a few people at very different skill levels who have been exploited and treated unfairly by their employers - indeed, employers can and do use the threat of firing people. If it was easy to just walk away and find more work, that threat would have no validity. I have two family members who were treated like absolute sh!t by their employers - in fact, one of these (who has a doctorate in Chemistry) was eventually let go from her job after an extremely stressful and unpleasant experience - she was put on a corrective action plan whilst suffering from breast cancer. The manager who was given the job of firing her committed suicide in his office a couple of years later. I've told this story before, but it bears repeating. So yeah, everything's not always rosy in the workplace. |
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| Mikhailoh | Sep 19 2016, 05:42 AM Post #55 |
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Ohh..so now it has to be EASY to chart your own course. I'm all for talking about what an American citizen's benefits ought to be. AFTER we balance the budget and get the debt down. Not until. |
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| John D'Oh | Sep 19 2016, 05:48 AM Post #56 |
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Neither of the people I was talking about are American workers. I was making the general point that there need to be checks and balances in any system to avoid people getting abused by their employers. |
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| Larry | Sep 19 2016, 05:52 AM Post #57 |
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It's totally the point. One of the reasons people who live from paycheck to paycheck are living that way is because they're afraid to make the decisions necessary to get ahead. They sit there in a job they don't like, blame their employer for their misery, and make excuses. Anyone who is being exploited or treated unfairly by their employers are living like that because they choose to stay in it. If I worked for someone else and that man threatened to fire me and I felt like I didn't deserve to be fired, I'd tell him to kiss my ass and walk out the door. This notion that one has to remain in a job because he might not find another one is silly. |
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| Larry | Sep 19 2016, 05:53 AM Post #58 |
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You cannot be abused by an employer unless you choose to allow the employer to abuse you. |
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| Copper | Sep 19 2016, 08:41 AM Post #59 |
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Skill levels are unfair. People are unfair. So what? Natural selection works. And not everyone wins. Is the government is going to fix that by forcing unfunded mandates on businesses? Forcing a business to pay people for not working fixes nothing. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 19 2016, 12:57 PM Post #60 |
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If being exploited is standard practice in the industry they're working—and that usually happens when industries are allowed to make their own rules—then your choice argument doesn't hold up. And that's exactly how people get exploited in America today: industry loopholes, like the FairPay amendments that allow for free labor. If that's not exploitation then I don't know what is. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 19 2016, 01:02 PM Post #61 |
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Copper, living up to the compassionate conservative stereotype since I-don't-know-when. |
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| Klaus | Sep 19 2016, 01:46 PM Post #62 |
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Over here, parents can leave work for 15 months and continue to get 65% of their salary (paid by the gov., not the company) in that time. A parent can leave up to three years per child without losing his/her job. My wife took off seven years for our kids and she still got a running working contract after those years. Yet we still have a very low average birth rate. The money helps (it certainly has in our case), but it does in no way come close to reimburse for the career dent of the parent who stays at home. |
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| Larry | Sep 19 2016, 02:16 PM Post #63 |
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The quote you attributed to me was not mine, but John's. As for "exploiting" employees, let me type it slower.... as long as an employee has the right fit quit and leave, it is impossible to "exploit" someone without that person allowing it to be done. If I worked for you and you took advantage of me in a way that could be defined as "exploitation", even if I didn't have two dimes to rub together, I would walk out the door - probably right after I laid you out on the floor. I understand that there needs to be some regulations to keep things honest, but not to the point that it becomes a burden on the employer, and not to the point where employees come to consider themselves more important than the business they work for. Don't like your employer? Go out and put your ass on the line like he did and then YOU get to make the rules. |
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| Copper | Sep 19 2016, 04:27 PM Post #64 |
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It's just a theory, about 260 years old actually. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Horace | Sep 19 2016, 04:53 PM Post #65 |
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Definitely bears repeating. Actually I never heard it the first time. I'd love to hear it again. Nothing "is what it is" more than suicide. It's a poignant exclamation point to any story. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Sep 20 2016, 08:32 AM Post #66 |
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It's a big grey area out there. I get the sneaking suspicion that sometimes my co-workers are pissed that I put up with some stuff that goes on and don't push back as much, but by comparison to the last three jobs I've had, it's not as bad here, so my scale isn't as sensitive to theirs. They're not wrong, but I just don't feel as strongly about it. Then there's the other side. There is truly some evil shit that goes on in some workplaces and the worst part about it is that sometimes there's no one to blame; a handful of people each contribute and do their part to create a disgusting situation for someone else. A lot of times it's so hard to believe that it takes some sussing out after the fact just to see how fucked up it was. |
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