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Trump’s maternity leave plan is unconstitutional
Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 04:47 AM (1,009 Views)
Larry
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I'm not sure, but I think every applicant had to have others sign for them, not just her. And 'afford it' doesn't necessarily mean she had the money in her cookie jar. And if she only qualified for a hearing, she'd still have been far above the cook-and-bottle-washer stage.


Yeah, but if she had stayed home and made sammiches like she was supposed to do she would have caught a man and had some kids......




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I'm not going to bash heads with you over this, Larry, so knock it off.
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Then go make me a sammich.
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It's ok. it's not my time. Everybody has time.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Copper
Sep 18 2016, 12:19 PM
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Sep 18 2016, 11:04 AM
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Sep 18 2016, 06:11 AM
Riley
Sep 18 2016, 05:53 AM
Does the US not have maternity leave?????? :confused:


No, the US has freedom.

I hope that was just a whoopee cushion you sat on when you wrote that.
Go have a baby and make the taxpayers pay for it because you are too lame to get a job and pull your own weight.


:lol2: Okay, so it wasn't a whoopee cushion. Figured you deserved the benefit of the doubt.
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Sep 18 2016, 12:19 PM
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Sep 18 2016, 11:04 AM
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Sep 18 2016, 06:11 AM
Riley
Sep 18 2016, 05:53 AM
Does the US not have maternity leave?????? :confused:


No, the US has freedom.

I hope that was just a whoopee cushion you sat on when you wrote that.
Go have a baby and make the taxpayers pay for it because you are too lame to get a job and pull your own weight.


But then when your maternity leave runs out, you go back to work, and now YOU are the taxpayer paying for the next round of people taking maternity leave.
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So it works out as long as someone is getting paid not to work.

This is a Marx Brothers routine.

You might want to check your math.

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The idea that somebody raising a child in their first year is somehow not pulling their weight is more than a liitle short sighted.
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The idea that a private company where they don't work should pay them is theft.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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An idea can't be theft, it's just an idea. Theft is when you steal something from somebody else. The English language, for example.




Yes, I'm being snarky. It's Monday morning and I have to be at f*cking work.
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How long has paid maternity leave been around?

For anybody?
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Catseye
Sep 18 2016, 05:56 AM
What difference does any of this make? He won't be elected, and if he is, this will be the last thing he'll be worried about.

The article Horace posted yesterday talks about false equivalence -- I think a very important thing to keep in mind. We've all been treating the Trump candidacy like it's legitimate and uninsane. Time to stop. Like the writer said, It's time to bark loudly that Trump is not normal.

So piddling around with maternal leave might qualify as the very quintessence of time wasting.


Don't look now, but he's +7 in the LA Times Poll...
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Sep 18 2016, 07:29 PM
The idea that a private company where they don't work should pay them is theft.
Make the government pay for the benefit and you can get around the "private company" part of your objection. ;)
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Sep 19 2016, 04:01 AM
Don't look now, but he's +7 in the LA Times Poll...
I've noticed that the LA Times Poll has become Trump supporters' favorite off late. :)
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Sep 19 2016, 04:03 AM
Jolly
Sep 19 2016, 04:01 AM
Don't look now, but he's +7 in the LA Times Poll...
I've noticed that the LA Times Poll has become Trump supporters' favorite off late. :)
Doesn't matter, go look at the RCP average...
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Sep 19 2016, 04:02 AM
Copper
Sep 18 2016, 07:29 PM
The idea that a private company where they don't work should pay them is theft.
Make the government pay for the benefit and you can get around the "private company" part of your objection. ;)
Sorry, not with my money.

Thank you for playing, though.
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Sep 19 2016, 04:02 AM
Make the government people pay for the benefit and you can get around the "private company" part of your objection. ;)
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A company does not hire people to provide them benefits. They hire people to work. Benefits are the carrots they dangle to get and keep good workers.

WORKERS.

A woman who has a baby and then takes 6 months or more off to raise the baby is not a worker. She has no right to ask for any more time off than it takes her to heal up and get back to work. Or, she can quit her job. At the most, after a couple of weeks off to heal up, she could ask for an unpaid leave of absence with a guarantee of a job at the end of a predetermined period of time. But the company should have no obligation to agree to such a thing.

And - it's none of government's damned business.
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I swear to God, some of you chaps would have been a lot happier living in Victorian times.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John D'Oh
Sep 19 2016, 04:27 AM
I swear to God, some of you chaps would have been a lot happier living in Victorian times.
Actually, what Larry suggested is better than what FEMLA provides.
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Sep 19 2016, 04:27 AM
I swear to God, some of you chaps would have been a lot happier living in Victorian times.
If you took every dime you had and then borrowed even more until you didn't know if you'd ever pay it all back, started a company, and then started hiring people - would you want to hire a bunch of pregnant women and have them all demand 6 months paid leave with a job guarantee at the end?

The alternative from a business perspective is to just not hire women at all. Or to pay them less, and not give them promotions to key positions where you had to depend on them being there.

You can choose to see that as being from "Victorian times" is you wish, but that's just how it works. Business aren't started to provide a job. Businesses are started to provide a product or a service. That requires employees. Getting and keeping good employees is a balancing act that requires give and take from both the company and the employee. But past a point, the business has to make decisions on what's best for the company, not an employee, because that business has to concern itself not only with its own financial future, but the financial future of all the other employees. To call that "Victorian" is silly.
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Larry
Sep 19 2016, 04:40 AM
To call that "Victorian" is silly.
No, I don't think it is. The Victorians weren't evil, but they approached the workplace pretty much as you describe. Workers didn't have many rights, and they weren't protected by legislation, it was left to the market. It also led to some people getting very rich, and some people being horribly exploited.
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No one can be exploited when they have the right to quit the job and go find another one unless they choose to be exploited.
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Larry
Sep 19 2016, 04:40 AM
If you took every dime you had and then borrowed even more until you didn't know if you'd ever pay it all back, ...
Oh, I thought you have a problem with that sort of borrowing.
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