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Clinton says half of all Trump supporters belong in ' basket of deplorables'
Topic Started: Sep 10 2016, 06:35 AM (1,257 Views)
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Hillary, two years after she loses the election:

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Sep 10 2016, 11:01 AM
Hillary tweeted this today.

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No sense of irony. None.

That can't be real.
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Democrats have a habit of that:

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Sep 10 2016, 12:58 PM
Oh - as you look at the pitiful turnout at the National Baptist Convention, bear in mind that the National Baptist Association is an african american organization.


That photo appears in many places on the Internet -- all of them conservative, including Infowars. It may appear in the MSM with mention of low turnout, but I couldn't find it. There were gobs of references to the speech; you'd think a that low a turnout would be its own story. But no. Unless you only read rightwing publications.

What I did find was three MSM stories covering her speech, NBC, NYT, and a major Topeka, KS newspaper which said, "The Democratic presidential nominee spoke to thousands in downtown Kansas City at the National Baptist Convention, the oldest black religious organization."

Thousands.

Saying that, her speech seemed nauseating. Any minute I expected her to burst into a Negro spiritual out of the Slave Songbook.
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What did you expect? You notice it's the "right wing" sources with pictures to back up their story, while the leftwing media chose instead to tell you what you'd have seen.
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Larry
Sep 10 2016, 01:16 PM
Democrats have a habit of that:

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That right there should be the ONLY issue we should be debating.
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Larry
Sep 10 2016, 01:41 PM
What did you expect? You notice it's the "right wing" sources with pictures to back up their story, while the leftwing media chose instead to tell you what you'd have seen.
Maybe left wingers know how to read while right wingers only know how to look at pictures. :(

(Sorry--I'm a conservative, but the joke was just there!) :D
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Larry
Sep 10 2016, 01:41 PM
What did you expect? You notice it's the "right wing" sources with pictures to back up their story, while the leftwing media chose instead to tell you what you'd have seen.
When I see that type of picture/story, I wonder about the timing. Was it just before the room filled up? Was it during the speech...afterward?
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Sep 10 2016, 01:41 PM
What did you expect? You notice it's the "right wing" sources with pictures to back up their story, while the leftwing media chose instead to tell you what you'd have seen.
I'm not even going to go there. How to respond to such an assertion?

I don't care who's doing it; whether left or right is beside the point. Anyone who makes up outrageous sh!t out of whole cloth is endeavoring to throw the election, which IMO makes them far worse than the candidate they are besmirching.

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Sep 10 2016, 01:08 PM
Actually, if you look at what Mitt said, it was a fact - he acknowledged that no matter what he did/said, 47% of the electorate wasn't going to vote for him. He was right. If you want to claim that his comments are an insult, I suppose you can. I choose not to.
Come on, George, that's not all he said. Read your own quote. 'Dependent on government'. 'Believe they are victims' etc.

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Sep 10 2016, 02:15 PM
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Sep 10 2016, 01:08 PM
Actually, if you look at what Mitt said, it was a fact - he acknowledged that no matter what he did/said, 47% of the electorate wasn't going to vote for him. He was right. If you want to claim that his comments are an insult, I suppose you can. I choose not to.
Come on, George, that's not all he said. Read your own quote. 'Dependent on government'. 'Believe they are victims' etc.

I know that.

Which is more on an insult: "You're deplorable" or "The people who depend on the government won't vote for me" (which is the accurate reading of what he said)?

I suppose it's a question of perception.
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That's not all he said. He also said they 'think they're victims', etc. Why do you keep passing over that, even after I point it out?

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Jon: George is a republican and an ass clown

George: Dude, what's up with the insult?

Jon: whaddaya mean? I called you a republican.

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Still a massive upgrade from 'basket of deplorables'.
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Perhaps. But that isn't the case George is trying to make. He's trying to say he didn't insult them, and his logic seems to be that before the insults he said something that wasn't an insult, therefore he didn't insult them.
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So do you think 'basket of deplorables' is an insult?
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Of course.
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At least 'victim' is a noun.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Sep 10 2016, 04:19 PM
his logic seems to be that before the insults he said something that wasn't an insult, therefore he didn't insult them.
With all due respect.... :lol2:
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Sep 10 2016, 01:54 PM
Larry
Sep 10 2016, 01:41 PM
What did you expect? You notice it's the "right wing" sources with pictures to back up their story, while the leftwing media chose instead to tell you what you'd have seen.
I'm not even going to go there. How to respond to such an assertion?

I don't care who's doing it; whether left or right is beside the point. Anyone who makes up outrageous sh!t out of whole cloth is endeavoring to throw the election, which IMO makes them far worse than the candidate they are besmirching.

What in the hell are you talking about? You're the one who made it a "left/right" issue, not me. They have video of the entire damned speech, so this isn't about "faking" it with a picture. The "making up outrageous sh!t out of whole cloth is you trying to turn the facts around to justify some made up version of the facts where what happened "didn't really happen".

Geez, it's no wonder some of you can't tell what's going on in this world.
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Let me spell it out for you, Cats - the main stream media didn't show any pictures of it because they don't want anyone to know that at a black convention where Hillary was the keynote speaker - hardly anyone attended. So they *tell* you people attended, which isn't a lie, it just masks the fact that the attendance was pitiful.

The pictures tell the story. If you can't figure it out with pictures, I don't know what to tell you.
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Sep 10 2016, 06:25 PM
Let me spell it out for you, Cats - the main stream media didn't show any pictures of it because they don't want anyone to know that at a black convention where Hillary was the keynote speaker - hardly anyone attended. So they *tell* you people attended, which isn't a lie, it just masks the fact that the attendance was pitiful.

The pictures tell the story. If you can't figure it out with pictures, I don't know what to tell you.
Well, you're right about one thing: the pictures do tell the story. Brian Abel and Frank Morris really are real reporters. Abel tweeted that the convention hall was cut down in size to accommodate a crowd of 3,000 in a hall that was built to hold 5,000. That makes an attendance of "thousands" closer to accurate than . . . what were your words on the attendance? "Pitiful". "Hardly anyone".

Some websites claimed 'less than a thousand' attended. I couldn't find a specific number of how many actually attended.

The pix I saw, you couldn't get a sense of the size of the crowd during the speech.

A pub called the Washington Free Beacon, which describes itself as "dedicated to uncovering the stories that the powers that be hope will never see the light of day" -- yes, one of those -- reported that "Clinton's keynote address . . . failed to draw a crowd of the size that organizers and Clinton's campaign expected, so they partitioned the room to hide thousands of empty seats." It added tweets from Brian Abel that "event organizers shut off the lights in a large portion of the unoccupied room and then partitioned it off from where attendees were sitting."

As far as I can tell, that's it. That's the whole story. Fewer than expected attended Clinton's speech, period. The hall was built to accommodate 5,000 and they used partitions to reduce the size to accommodate 3,000. Period.

Fewer than expected, Larry. Which faction, do you suppose, managed to turn a "fewer than expected" audience of 1,000-3,000 people into "pitiful" and "embarrassing" and "hardly anyone"? Would these be Hillary supporters? No, I don't think so. I think it's more likely they would be anti-Hillary people, don't you?

The Kansas City Star covered highlights from the speech, and mentioned briefly in the middle that turnout was less than expected and that partitions were used to reduce the size of the hall. Same with KMBC-TV News. Fox-KC made no mention of crowd size. Neither did World Net Daily

C-SPAN made no mention of crowd size. You have no problem, I trust, with C-SPAN's objectivity, do you?

Redstate, Infowars, Breitbart, Reddit ( :leftarrow: page plastered with Trump ads) used descriptors like "embarrassing", "abysmal", "cringeworthy". Something called Twitchy cobbled a wannabe pun, 'Hillaryous'. Hannity -- well, you don't need me to tell you what Hannity said, do you? Teaparty.org's headline: "Nobody Shows Up to See Hillary".

And so on. I stopped searching at page 5 of the Google layout.

This ominous detail of the movable partitions refers to an architectural practice that has been used commonly for several decades. It has to do with improving acoustics and reducing energy use (heating, cooling) and so on. It has nothing to do with hiding seats.

Let me get this straight. Your whole point is that the MSM "doesn't want anyone to know" about the attendance so they showed no pictures. Yet you're fine with one picture, plus two or three variants, so long as that one picture comports with what you want to believe, anyway. Then it's all kinds of legitimate.

This story isn't about Clinton's audience size. It's about misrepresentation. Or as we unclued masses like to call it, lying. The Internet being a big place, this is very easy to do. You can say down is up and you'll find somebody to believe you. You could almost say it's a law: The more determined you are to believe something, the less proof you need to believe it. Eventually, any old bullshit will do it for you.

But hey, I love when you spell shit out for me. Please, keep it up. It's fun to watch ideologues trying so earnestly to force the round pegs of reality into the square holes of what they need to believe. It's like watching 20 clowns pouring out of a Volkswagen. You know it's impossible, but they're awfully entertaining.




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It's about blacks voting for the democrat candidate - period.

It's about the the largest Black Church Convention there is having Hillary as their keynote speaker, and that normally that hall would have been packed so tight they would have had to ADD seats, they had to partition off a large section of the hall, and as the pictures show, they couldn't even half fill the part they left open.

Even you contradict yourself - you accurately point out that the hall was "built to accomodate 5,000 people", and that they partitioned it off to a room that would accomodate 3,000 people, and then conclude that this means 3,000 people attended - all while staring at a picture showing that 3,000 seat room wasn't even a third full.

In other words, there were 1,000 people there at the most, when they had expected to draw 5,000+ at an all black audience for a democrat keynote speaker.

I'm not the one trying to force a square peg in a round hole - you are.
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Even you contradict yourself - you accurately point out that the hall was "built to accomodate 5,000 people", and that they partitioned it off to a room that would accomodate 3,000 people, and then conclude that this means 3,000 people attended -



I wrote, " . . . the convention hall was cut down in size to accommodate a crowd of 3,000 in a hall that was built to hold 5,000 . . .
Some websites claimed 'less than a thousand' attended. :rightarrow: I couldn't find a specific number of how many actually attended. :leftarrow: The pix I saw, you couldn't get a sense of the size of the crowd during the speech."

How much clearer could I have been that I did not know how many attended -- whether 3,000 or 1,000 or 50 million?

I didn't write my post to change your mind about anything. I have never known you to do that the whole time I've been here. Mostly I was trying --trying -- to get across the idea of the power of words, of how almost sacred is one's duty to use them honestly, and not to knowingly and willfully misrepresent what happens.

I also know that you pride yourself on never giving up in an argument, so I will. I'm always happy to do that, once I've made my point. You're free to believe whatever you want.
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Let me get this straight. Your whole point is that the MSM "doesn't want anyone to know" about the attendance so they showed no pictures. Yet you're fine with one picture, plus two or three variants, so long as that one picture comports with what you want to believe, anyway. Then it's all kinds of legitimate.


If you weren't so busy trying to justify your own way of seeing things maybe you could follow the plot.

Convention halls are built to accomodate as large a crowd as the structure will allow. From there, they are designed to allow that one large room to be divided into smaller sections. This is sometimes done so that two or more events can happen at the same time, or as in this case, to reduce the size of the room. But that has nothing to do with this.

Those seats are not permanently fixed to the floor. The convention center rents seats to the organization that has rented the hall for an event. The organization renting the hall is *not* going to pay for having the convention center's crew put out two thousand seats they didn't expect to use and then partition them off. The National Baptist Association paid a lot of money to have those seats set up, and they did it because they expected those seats to be filled with people sitting in them.

So the people began to gather for the speech....... and it quickly became obvious that the seating they had PAID FOR because based on past conventions they would need - were not being used. They partitioned off an entire section of seats - the breaking point being at the first available partition, which as it happens, is 3,000 seats per section. That left them with seating for 3,000 people, and that 3,000 seat section, being the smallest they could make the room - had about a third of its seats occupied by peoples' asses.

Now you can talk about "acoustics" and sh!t all you want, but you're talking through your ass. The convention hall had a partition at the 3,000 seat mark, and most likely there was *another* partition at the 6,000 seat mark, and another at the 9,000 seat mark - because you see Cats..... contrary to the news story you swallowed whole about the hall being "built to accomodate 5,000 seats"... the Kansas City Convention Center will seat 10,700 people.

This means the National Baptist Association rented half the convention hall, two sections worth, and had seating set up to accomodate the 5,000 people they expected would attend. They expected that size crowd because that's the size crowd they have had in the past. Two sections out of 4 sections - room for 6,000 seats, they paid for 5,000 seats and had them set up, then had to close off a section, which left 3,000 seats. They couldn't reduce the size of the room any further, because each section holds 3,000 seats. So they had one section left, with 3,000 seats - and they couldn't fill even half of that.

Yes Cats. That is pitiful. And yes, Cats - the main stream media doesn't want to talk about that. But you're free to make up whatever excuse you want to to explain away why the democrat nominee Hillary Clinton couldn't get more than a fifth of the crowd the largest black religious organization in the country expected to come to show up.
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