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Why, yes, Mrs. Clinton, I can imagine it.
Topic Started: Jul 13 2016, 12:19 PM (1,441 Views)
Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
Jolly
Jul 14 2016, 04:39 PM
Wasted vote.
Yeah okay. :lol: Like those fine Christian values Trump supports, do you? How about his Trump Steaks economic policy?
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
Aqua Letifer
Jul 14 2016, 05:37 PM
Jolly
Jul 14 2016, 04:39 PM
Wasted vote.
Yeah okay. :lol: Like those fine Christian values Trump supports, do you? How about his Trump Steaks economic policy?
Politics ain't beanbag and you don't get everything you want in any given candidate, You get what you get, and then you try to get as much as you can from what you have.

One of two people will win the Presidency. It 's either Clinton or Trump and it won't be anyone else. So pick, which one do you want? Which one has views closer to what you'd like to see. Which one do you think can be influenced by people of like mind to you, to do some of the things you'd like to see done.

I don't like Trump, but at least with him, I get a spoonful of political porridge. With Clinton, I get an empty bowl.

Why would I want an empty bowl?
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Copper
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I vote debt reduction. That's about it.

Ms. Clinton has no hope of doing any debt reduction.
Mr. Trump has an extremely small hope of doing any debt reduction.

Both are despicable characters, so that is a wash. Is one more despicable? Clearly.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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HOLY CARP!!!
Copper
Jul 14 2016, 06:01 PM
I vote debt reduction. That's about it.

Ms. Clinton has no hope of doing any debt reduction.
Mr. Trump has an extremely small hope of doing any debt reduction.

Both are despicable characters, so that is a wash. Is one more despicable? Clearly.

I hear you. It all sux
"Men sway more towards hussies." G-D3
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Larry
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justme
Jul 14 2016, 04:54 PM
Jolly
Jul 14 2016, 04:39 PM
Wasted vote.
Not for me. I can't in good conscious vote for Trump or Hillary.
So you support legalizing prostitution? You support open borders? Considering the fact that our military budget has already been cut to the point that our military can barely do its job, while WWIII is in progress - you support cutting the military budget even more? You support cutting Social Security payments? You support cutting financial aid to countries that help us strategically, and allowing our enemies to rush in and fill that vacuum? You agree with him that Iran is not a threat? You think, as he has stated he does, that the majority of crime in the US is due to drugs being illegal?

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy you've chosen to vote for Johnson instead of Hillary. But geez, this guy is the Bernie Sanders of the Right.

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Larry
Jul 14 2016, 06:15 PM
So you support legalizing prostitution?
You had me at hello!
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

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we musn't cut our defense budget. If there's one thing America always leads the world in, it's defense budget.

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I get it. We are the defenders of freedom. We just can't stand by and watch others try to kick freedom's ass. It's a vicious cycle though.
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Every time I see those statistics (and they're nothing new), I wonder how much of our defense budget is wasted.
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HOLY CARP!!!
Larry
Jul 14 2016, 06:15 PM
justme
Jul 14 2016, 04:54 PM
Jolly
Jul 14 2016, 04:39 PM
Wasted vote.
Not for me. I can't in good conscious vote for Trump or Hillary.
So you support legalizing prostitution? You support open borders? Considering the fact that our military budget has already been cut to the point that our military can barely do its job, while WWIII is in progress - you support cutting the military budget even more? You support cutting Social Security payments? You support cutting financial aid to countries that help us strategically, and allowing our enemies to rush in and fill that vacuum? You agree with him that Iran is not a threat? You think, as he has stated he does, that the majority of crime in the US is due to drugs being illegal?

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy you've chosen to vote for Johnson instead of Hillary. But geez, this guy is the Bernie Sanders of the Right.

Legalization of prostitution: fine.

Open borders: yes

In r/ to the military budget I always want what's best for our military.

Financial aid to our allies: what ever is affordable after we take care of our needs at home.

Yes I agree that the majority of crime at home is due to drugs being illegal.

What I do not agree with is his views on gun control. Which I think needs more oversight.

But I hope the more liberal among up will address that.
"Men sway more towards hussies." G-D3
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Wow.
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Red Rice
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Nobody's Sock
Jul 14 2016, 06:19 PM
I get it. We are the defenders of freedom. We just can't stand by and watch others try to kick freedom's ass.
Yes.

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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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HOLY CARP!!!
Larry
Jul 14 2016, 06:27 PM
Wow.
Yeah. Quite different than a few years ago. But tragedy does that to a person. Priorities shift
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HOLY CARP!!!
Jolly
Jul 14 2016, 04:39 PM
Wasted vote.
That's a very short-sighted point of view.

If enough people vote for Johnson, he may not become president this time, but it is certainly possible that a very good result for a third party candidate would trigger a fundamental change to the American political landscape. For instance, maybe you have three parties of similar strength in 10 years. Or one of today's big parties is gone and is replaced by the Libertarian party. Or at the very least it would make the two big parties of today rethink their policies.

A vote has more influence than only determining the next president. Don't ignore that.
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HOLY CARP!!!
Larry
Jul 14 2016, 06:15 PM
You think, as he has stated he does, that the majority of crime in the US is due to drugs being illegal?
This is not a matter of opinion; you can just look at the data to see whether that statement is true. I'm sure somebody has already collected that data.
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It seems to me it would require a judgement call as to what percentage of violent crimes and property crimes are drug related - IOW he's not just talking about drug arrests. It's certainly a plausible claim.
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jon-nyc
Jul 15 2016, 12:54 AM
It seems to me it would require a judgement call as to what percentage of violent crimes and property crimes are drug related - IOW he's not just talking about drug arrests. It's certainly a plausible claim.
shoot, alcohol, our legal drug, is responsible for more violent crime than any meth or heroin.

yes, that includes hitting and running, bastards.


how's that for comma control, George? better? :lol2:
Edited by Nobody's Sock, Jul 15 2016, 01:03 AM.
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Klaus
Jul 14 2016, 11:37 PM
Jolly
Jul 14 2016, 04:39 PM
Wasted vote.
That's a very short-sighted point of view.

If enough people vote for Johnson, he may not become president this time, but it is certainly possible that a very good result for a third party candidate would trigger a fundamental change to the American political landscape. For instance, maybe you have three parties of similar strength in 10 years. Or one of today's big parties is gone and is replaced by the Libertarian party. Or at the very least it would make the two big parties of today rethink their policies.

A vote has more influence than only determining the next president. Don't ignore that.
Klaus, I've been a third party voter my whole life, and I can tell you, everything you said above has been a matter of faith and theory only. If enough people . . . and so on. True. But it is not happening. Not.

It's like, if everybody stopped overeating on bad food, there'd be no obesity. True (pretty much), but yet not true, because it's not happening.

That's why I'll probably not vote for Johnson this time. (I won't know until the last minute, I don't think.) I think I'm fed up with waiting for the miracle. Americans are a two-party people, period, end of the report.

And this election in particular is so important that our very survival as a nation may depend on it. If that's drama, please, I'd like nothing better than to be argued away from it. I think we can't afford Clinton, and voting for Johnson might achieve just that.

But I'm with Copper rather than Jolly on this. There is no such thing as a wasted vote, normally. Well, not the Mickey Mouse option; I've never gotten the point of the the nonsense write-in. Better to stay home, save gas.


"How awful a knowledge of the truth can be." -- Sophocles, Oedipus Rex
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HOLY CARP!!!
A two party system has many advantages, such as stability and clear majorities, but these days we see one of the major disadvantages in action.

Over here, small parties have a lot of influence even if they are not part of the government because the other parties are scared that they'll get even more votes next time.
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Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
Jolly
Jul 14 2016, 05:51 PM
Aqua Letifer
Jul 14 2016, 05:37 PM
Jolly
Jul 14 2016, 04:39 PM
Wasted vote.
Yeah okay. :lol: Like those fine Christian values Trump supports, do you? How about his Trump Steaks economic policy?
Politics ain't beanbag and you don't get everything you want in any given candidate, You get what you get, and then you try to get as much as you can from what you have.

One of two people will win the Presidency. It 's either Clinton or Trump and it won't be anyone else. So pick, which one do you want? Which one has views closer to what you'd like to see. Which one do you think can be influenced by people of like mind to you, to do some of the things you'd like to see done.

I don't like Trump, but at least with him, I get a spoonful of political porridge. With Clinton, I get an empty bowl.

Why would I want an empty bowl?
That's stupid.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Klaus
Jul 14 2016, 11:42 PM
Larry
Jul 14 2016, 06:15 PM
You think, as he has stated he does, that the majority of crime in the US is due to drugs being illegal?
This is not a matter of opinion; you can just look at the data to see whether that statement is true. I'm sure somebody has already collected that data.
Drug use is a symptom of the problem. The actual problem is much more complex, and facing the problem and then dealing with the problem would require a sea shift in ideology among many people - a shift that will never happen.
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HOLY CARP!!!
Larry
Jul 15 2016, 04:06 AM
Klaus
Jul 14 2016, 11:42 PM
Larry
Jul 14 2016, 06:15 PM
You think, as he has stated he does, that the majority of crime in the US is due to drugs being illegal?
This is not a matter of opinion; you can just look at the data to see whether that statement is true. I'm sure somebody has already collected that data.
Drug use is a symptom of the problem. The actual problem is much more complex, and facing the problem and then dealing with the problem would require a sea shift in ideology among many people - a shift that will never happen.
Yet you seem to be unable to say what the actual problem is...
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Pride
Envy
Gluttony
Lust
Anger
Greed
Sloth

People are no darned good
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Larry
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No, I have no problem saying what the problem is. America has been ruined by leftwing ideology. Now when I have more time to devote to it, I'll explain how.
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Read this. It explains it pretty well

http://www.westernjournalism.com/eye-opening-liberal-policies-destroying-america/
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