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Why, yes, Mrs. Clinton, I can imagine it.
Topic Started: Jul 13 2016, 12:19 PM (1,438 Views)
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That is the gospel according to Hillary. There are millions willing to preach it.

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She does have a point.
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Jul 14 2016, 12:25 AM
She does have a point.
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Jul 14 2016, 12:25 AM
She does have a point.
That Trump would do it?

He'd just be following in the jokes and actions of the current administration.
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Jul 14 2016, 06:35 AM
Klaus
Jul 14 2016, 12:25 AM
She does have a point.
That Trump would do it?

He'd just be following in the jokes and actions of the current administration.
GKSR1.

Also, even though the current US administration may have abused their power, there is a large severity range for such abuse, and there are ample reasons to believe that Trump's abuse would be orders of magnitude worse: just extrapolate his current action and rhetoric.
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Jul 14 2016, 06:45 AM
GKSR1.

Also, even though the current US administration may have abused their power, there is a large severity range for such abuse, and there are ample reasons to believe that Trump's abuse would be orders of magnitude worse: just extrapolate his current action and rhetoric.
True. For her to accuse someone of what he *might* do as opposed to what she, and the current administration *have done*, merits a GKSR4.
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I'm beginning to think there has been a method to his madness all along.

I was very taken with that article I posted here a couple of weeks ago, that Trump is all about the deal; it's his reason for getting up in the morning. I don't think it's possible to understand him if you don't understand that.

I have no way of knowing this, but I can imagine that he used the interim between his last bid and now to figure out the parameters of a successful deal. His big disadvantage has been that he's outside the ring, not in the club. How to fix that? Bypass those stuffed shirts in Congress and get the peoples' attention. So his first phase was Instilling Outrage, and it worked, yes? It got him to the table. People were responding just as he intended. "Tells it like it is, no politician's politician," etc.

As time has gone on, he's toned that down. Until, a month before the convention, he's getting advisors, he's doing fundraising . . . he's doing stuff that's familiar to us.

For the manyeth time I bring up the interview a few months ago in USA Today, when he said right out, I'll be toning that down in the future, meaning the bloviating. At the very least he knew what he was doing at that point.

Little contradictions keep appearing, like glass shards poking through fabric. That photo of him embracing the flag. Testimony from his nearest and dearest, which I dig can be fabricated, but still. Just little inconsistencies.

I still think he won't make a good president, but maybe he's not the impossible troglodyte that he's presented himself to be.


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Jul 14 2016, 06:58 AM
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Jul 14 2016, 06:45 AM
GKSR1.

Also, even though the current US administration may have abused their power, there is a large severity range for such abuse, and there are ample reasons to believe that Trump's abuse would be orders of magnitude worse: just extrapolate his current action and rhetoric.
True. For her to accuse someone of what he *might* do as opposed to what she, and the current administration *have done*, merits a GKSR4.
According to your logic, no 1930s politician would have been allowed to warn about Hitler's rise to power (hello Godwin :wave: )
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Jul 14 2016, 07:09 AM
According to your logic, no 1930s politician would have been allowed to warn about Hitler's rise to power (hello Godwin :wave: )
(don't know enough about the history)

Did any German politicians in the 1930s abuse power and then warn about Hitler's abuse of power?

Genuine question.
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Jul 14 2016, 07:13 AM


Did any German politicians in the 1930s abuse power and then warn about Hitler's abuse of power?
Good question. I imagine back then it was much easier to suppress, silence and control the newspapers. They didn't have television and 24/7 news with talking heads and the internet. One beauty of the internet is that we can exchange ideas in an instant not only across the country but across the world.

That's an interesting question too. Would things have been different had they had the internet and television back then? Would it have been worse? Would the German people still have looked at Hitler as their savior who would make them GREAT again the decades following World War I? They were in pretty bad shape. And what did they blame? Not their loss in WWI but the undesirables. Would the holocaust not have happened because the reporters would have been reporting the atrocities 24/7? Would they still have followed him blindly into the abyss?

Which begs the question why are so many people blindly following Trump? Is he a savior who is going to make us great again by getting rid of undesirables? And what does he plan to do for all the "losers" who don't intend on voting for him?
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If I'm right, his convention speech should be pretty interesting. It would mark the beginning of the next phase: the Serious Candidate. He'll be like, okay, now that I've got your attention, here's what I'm going to do. And what he's going to do will be a program that will amaze and astonish us all. He still has yet to learn how little power he'll have when it comes to doing things, but that's what he'll do.

Possibly we don't know what he'll do; possibly he hasn't told us yet. Maybe he's just been dancing with a teacup on his head, like Henry Higgins when Eliza was saying things like, "Gin was mother's milk to HHHer."

The deal. Politicians usually throw their hats in the ring and then see who can get the most votes. He might have crafted a game plan where he had the end game in mind at the very beginning; each word calculated for a particular effect. A puppet show. Because he decided at the beginning that it was a deal he could win. Otherwise he wouldn't play.

I don't know. But it makes sense.
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Jul 14 2016, 08:13 AM
If I'm right, his convention speech should be pretty interesting. It would mark the beginning of the next phase: the Serious Candidate.
The presidential election isn't a Lady Gaga tour. Constantly reinventing yourself isn't a virtue, it's a problem. Let's start with this: if he keeps contradicting himself then what are his supporters voting for? Seriously, what? ("Not Hillary Clinton"? Not good enough. Find somebody who doesn't lie, advocate lawbreaking and insult the physical deformities of the reporters who write about him to vote for.)

If he's unpredictable to you then by definition you don't know what a vote for Donald Trump would even mean.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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I'm not going to get back into anything with you. You've got your viewpoint, I've got mine.

I'll just say that at no time did I imply that he was unpredictable to me. I floated a possible strategy that he might be engaging in.

Answer or not, you seem to have a bug up your ass where I'm concerned. I won't be responding again.
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Not with you, Cats, but he does have a bug with Trump, which is understandable.
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Mik's right.
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Catseye,

I remember months ago, reading an article which discussed how befuddled the news media was (and still is) in trying to understand what appeared to be a bizarre individual not knowing what he was doing, not knowing facts. Yet, the media was perplexed in realizing, "but...but...look how he is winning, and spending almost nothing."

Anyway, the article I read had the perspective that if anyone wants to understand Trump, "read his damn book!!" There is a chance he's not crazy, he didn't stumble into making a fortune. He is ruthless in that for him, everything is based on the final score -- to win. That's his premise: use his lifelong tactics to bust up Washington and then do everything he can to effect change so the American people can win (not just the elites/corporations/globalists/etc.)

Everything for him seems to be The Art of the Deal i.e., start at an outrageous position, and negotiate from there. Don't talk down to the people, talk at their (average and potential new voter) level. Consider that news articles are often written at what, the 8th grade level, as a generalization? And then you read how behind the scenes, he is known to be soft-spoken and not bombastic, listens, contemplates, so then the bull in the china shop is a tactic (?)

Or, he's nuts, out of his league, an egomaniac and dangerous. That could very well be.
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Jul 14 2016, 08:13 AM
If I'm right, his convention speech should be pretty interesting. It would mark the beginning of the next phase: the Serious Candidate. He'll be like, okay, now that I've got your attention, here's what I'm going to do. And what he's going to do will be a program that will amaze and astonish us all. He still has yet to learn how little power he'll have when it comes to doing things, but that's what he'll do.

Possibly we don't know what he'll do; possibly he hasn't told us yet. Maybe he's just been dancing with a teacup on his head, like Henry Higgins when Eliza was saying things like, "Gin was mother's milk to HHHer."

The deal. Politicians usually throw their hats in the ring and then see who can get the most votes. He might have crafted a game plan where he had the end game in mind at the very beginning; each word calculated for a particular effect. A puppet show. Because he decided at the beginning that it was a deal he could win. Otherwise he wouldn't play.

I don't know. But it makes sense.
How? I don't see any sense in it. I'm not trying to argue with you. I truly don't understand.

Especially this comment:

"Possibly we don't know what he'll do; possibly he hasn't told us yet. Maybe he's just been dancing with a teacup on his head, like Henry Higgins when Eliza was saying things like, "Gin was mother's milk to HHHer.""

Please explain
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Or, he's nuts, out of his league, an egomaniac and dangerous. That could very well be. :shrug:


Absolutely, yes, it could.
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Rainman, what you said doesn't figure.

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everything is based on the final score -- to win.


I'm sure that's so.

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That's his premise: use his lifelong tactics to bust up Washington and then do everything he can to effect change so the American people can win (not just the elites/corporations/globalists/etc.)


If his goal for his entire career has been to win, then why in the world do you think that he's now interested in being altruistic? Because he's running for president? Because he said he cares about you? He also said that crime is rising when it isn't. He said he won all but one county in Florida when he didn't. He said that Ted Cruz’s father "was with Lee Harvey Oswald" before the assassination of President Kennedy.

If you've decided to believe him when he says he cares about America, it's because you like how that sounds. There's no credible evidence that suggests he actually does. He's never held office and nothing he says can be taken seriously.

Just a couple of years ago he said he was a Democrat and that Democrats were better for the country economically.
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Jul 14 2016, 08:59 AM
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Jul 14 2016, 08:13 AM
If I'm right, his convention speech should be pretty interesting. It would mark the beginning of the next phase: the Serious Candidate. He'll be like, okay, now that I've got your attention, here's what I'm going to do. And what he's going to do will be a program that will amaze and astonish us all. He still has yet to learn how little power he'll have when it comes to doing things, but that's what he'll do.

Possibly we don't know what he'll do; possibly he hasn't told us yet. Maybe he's just been dancing with a teacup on his head, like Henry Higgins when Eliza was saying things like, "Gin was mother's milk to HHHer."

The deal. Politicians usually throw their hats in the ring and then see who can get the most votes. He might have crafted a game plan where he had the end game in mind at the very beginning; each word calculated for a particular effect. A puppet show. Because he decided at the beginning that it was a deal he could win. Otherwise he wouldn't play.

I don't know. But it makes sense.
How? I don't see any sense in it. I'm not trying to argue with you. I truly don't understand.

Especially this comment:

"Possibly we don't know what he'll do; possibly he hasn't told us yet. Maybe he's just been dancing with a teacup on his head, like Henry Higgins when Eliza was saying things like, "Gin was mother's milk to HHHer.""

Please explain
I meant that he's not playing any sort of game that you'd recognize as a typical politician's game.

Example, and please understand, I am not saying he'll do this. I am making this up. Take the now-famous wall. He's a builder; you think he doesn't know it won't be built, or can't be built? I'd have to go back and re-read his remarks, but I'll bet he left himself one or more outs, for what he "really meant", and what he'd -- we'd -- end up with is a compromise, with "building a wall" as a starting point.

He never intended to build a wall between Mexico and the US because he knows it's freaking crazy. So he lied.

But it wasn't a typical politician's lie. It was more like a strategic manipulation, in his mind. Yes, you and I view it as a lie, but he doesn't lie in the usual politicians' way. It's hard to explain. I know what I mean. :)

The people Rainman and I have read both say it: you have to understand Trump to understand what he says. We make a mistake when we apply the same standards as we do to the usual politicians' pie-in-the-sky BS.

So when you say you don't see any sense in it, think of it this way: Everything he says is a setup. He's setting you up. He wants you front and center in the voting booth. In his mind, he's not playing the usual I'm-better-than-my-opponent and hoping enough people believe him. He's manipulating the board in his favor, because that's how you do deals. You don't base the deal on hope unless you like starving to death. You go in stronger than the other guy.

The deal, always the deal.

I've somehow lost my "maybes" and "possiblys", but please consider them still in there somewhere. I'm with Rainman; it's plausible, or it's a big zero and he's the crazy dangerous buffone we've always believed and he is even now cornering cement blocks.

You're thinking you'll never vote for him because you hate him to death. But what if between now and November he has somehow become feasible?

Part of the game plan, my dear.

Maybe. Who knows.

Carp. Talked too much again. :(
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thank you, Catseye, for your explanation. Sorry to be so dense.

Still. That kind of candidate doesn't inspire trust and doesn't appeal to me. Quite frankly he scares the S*** out of me. But then so does Hillary.

Vote Gary Johnson!

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