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Don't watch on an empty stomach
Topic Started: Jul 9 2016, 09:04 PM (718 Views)
Red Rice
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Steak (R)evolution on Netflix.

A documentary about a Frenchman's quest for the world's best steak. Turns out all the top restaurants pretty much prepare their steaks the same way (oil to coat, sea salt, black pepper, grill over an open flame), but the differences come with the breed of beef cattle and how it's raised, butchered, and aged.

Some interesting tidbits:

- the French are actually pretty bad at steak. French beef cattle tend to be tough and bland.

- the only real aging is dry aging, and it makes a huge difference. Wet or cryovac aging is useless.

- the world's best steak comes from breeder and chef Jose Gordon in Spain. He raises his cattle for 10-15 years, at huge expense, before slaughter; the average age of slaughter in the US is 12-18 months. The cattle grow to enormous size: 2 tons in weight, 6 feet tall at the shoulder, and yield steaks the size of your torso. The more mature the cattle, the richer and more complex the flavor, though the meat is tougher and needs to be dry aged properly to be tender.


Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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Axtremus
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So how much did Jose Gordon have to pay the producer of that video to get that blurb included in there? :huh:
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Red Rice
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1 gazillion dollars.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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Horace
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I paid an embarrassing amount of money to Snake River Farms for a 15 pd loin roast. Got about 10 NY steaks out of it. Cut them myself. Ok, now I'm ruined for other steaks. Sorry.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Horace
Jul 9 2016, 10:16 PM
I paid an embarrassing amount of money to Snake River Farms for a 15 pd loin roast. Got about 10 NY steaks out of it. Cut them myself. Ok, now I'm ruined for other steaks. Sorry.
Yes!

What made them different from other steaks?
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There's a difference between a yearling and heavy beef, this isn't earth shaking news. You have to weigh how bad you need meat vs. the extra cost of raising a steer (and that's what your meat normally is) to about 900-1000 pounds.

Just a observation by a dumb country boy, angus or angus crosses have better flavor, but for thriving in the heat down here, it's hard to beat a good strain of brahman.
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Red Rice
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Jul 10 2016, 03:24 AM
Just a observation by a dumb country boy, angus or angus crosses have better flavor, but for thriving in the heat down here, it's hard to beat a good strain of brahman.
In the US, "Black Angus" and "Certified Angus Beef" are essentially marketing terms. Cattle under these labels only need to demonstrate some Angus influence and do not need to be purebred. The beef is tender, but supposedly not nearly as flavorful as purebred Aberdeen Angus (the documentary's 2nd best steakhouse is in London and serves purebred Aberdeen Angus).
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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Red Rice
Jul 10 2016, 07:43 AM
Jolly
Jul 10 2016, 03:24 AM
Just a observation by a dumb country boy, angus or angus crosses have better flavor, but for thriving in the heat down here, it's hard to beat a good strain of brahman.
In the US, "Black Angus" and "Certified Angus Beef" are essentially marketing terms. Cattle under these labels only need to demonstrate some Angus influence and do not need to be purebred. The beef is tender, but supposedly not nearly as flavorful as purebred Aberdeen Angus (the documentary's 2nd best steakhouse is in London and serves purebred Aberdeen Angus).
I've often wondered about that; seems everything is labeled Angus here.
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Hmmm...so this could be labeled Angus at the meat counter....

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I'm hungry. Haven't even had breakfast yet, but think I'll have to go pick up some steaks for dinner tonight.
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Jolly
Jul 10 2016, 07:54 AM
Hmmm...so this could be labeled Angus at the meat counter....

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Brangus, eh? Learn something new every day.
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Steve Miller
Jul 10 2016, 12:24 AM
Horace
Jul 9 2016, 10:16 PM
I paid an embarrassing amount of money to Snake River Farms for a 15 pd loin roast. Got about 10 NY steaks out of it. Cut them myself. Ok, now I'm ruined for other steaks. Sorry.
Yes!

What made them different from other steaks?
Snake River Farms raises something they call "American Wagyu", allegedly some cross breed of Japanese Kobe and "high quality" Black Angus. I'm not sure the extent to which that's a marketing term but the proof is in the marbling and the flavor. This stuff just melts.

They also sell absurdly sized "cowboy ribeyes". I got two, one is still in the freezer. You'd have to see it to believe it. American Wagyu, 2 inches thick, 3.26 pounds.

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sue
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that looks vaguely alien.
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I prefer "Flintstonian".
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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I had an opportunity to buy some Kobe beef. Didn't buy, too expensive.
Would have been fun though, to taste the difference if any, and see if it was as spectacular as touted.
And frankly, I wasn't convinced that it was actually Kobe, I mean, meat looks like meat, right? How do you ever really know?
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Red Rice
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Jul 10 2016, 01:19 PM
I had an opportunity to buy some Kobe beef. Didn't buy, too expensive.
Would have been fun though, to taste the difference if any, and see if it was as spectacular as touted.
And frankly, I wasn't convinced that it was actually Kobe, I mean, meat looks like meat, right? How do you ever really know?
Good thing you didn't buy it. Real Kobe (certified from Japan's Hyogo prefecture) in the US is available in only nine restaurants in the entire country, and sells for $50/ounce. It is not sold at all on the retail market. Most of the beef sold here as "Kobe", "American Kobe", "Wagyu", "Kobe style", "Japanese Wagyu", "American Wagyu", etc. is not authentic, but unfortunately there's no regulation of the name here.

As for being able to tell from appearance, Kobe is famous for the amount of marbling it has. But the only way to know for sure is that real Kobe beef is sold with Japanese certification papers, a purple chrysanthemum stamp, and a 10-digit ID number. The US restaurants that sell it are obligated to produce these on request.

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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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That looks like a once-in-a-lifetime gustatory occasion.

Is it wrong therefore to be longing for a meatloaf sandwich on thick slices of kosher deli rye with a half done?

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"How awful a knowledge of the truth can be." -- Sophocles, Oedipus Rex
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Thanks for the info, Red Rice!
Nice to not get ripped off.

Anyone ever tasted Kobe beef?
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Kobe beef ... this article from April 2016 narrows it down to eight (8) the number of US restaurants authorized to sell Kobe beef:

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/16132-many-restaurants-with-kobe-beef-on-their-menus-are-not-actually-serving-kobe-beef

The list is at the bottom of the article.
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Rainman
Jul 10 2016, 03:32 PM
Anyone ever tasted Kobe beef?
Probably twice ...

Once in Japan, probably 9~10 years ago IIRC, then again in the USA probably 6~7 years ago.

They were advertised to me as Kobe, but I did not ask to see any certification. So it is possible that those were not authentic Kobe. Nonetheless, to this day, I still rate the Kobe beef consumed in the USA 6~7 years ago as the best I ever had. Very close to "melting" in the mouth, and even the aftertaste from burping was significantly more pleasant than that from other beef.
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212 Steakhouse Menu -- NY KOBE TASTING
Kobe Beef Ribeye 3 oz, Kobe Beef Striploin 3 oz, Kobe Beef Tenderloin 3 oz $205

Plus tip.
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My husband lived in Kobe as a kid. His father's company put them up in a hotel for a few months while they looked for a house. Once a week my husband would go to the hotel restaurant and eat Kobe beef for dinner all on the company's tab. The company never said anything, but he did get yelled at by his father.

The first time he saw Kobe beef listed on a menu in the US it was for a slider. He lost it and just ripped into the poor waitress, "HOW THE F*$@ CAN YOU GRIND UP KOBE BEEF?"
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An excellent show!

Thanks for recommending it.
Wag more
Bark less
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I once had "Kobe burger" in an American restaurant. These burgers were only two dollars or so more expensive than the non-Kobe burgers, but of course I knew that this had to be some kind of fake.
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Red Rice
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Jul 10 2016, 05:32 PM
Once a week my husband would go to the hotel restaurant and eat Kobe beef for dinner all on the company's tab.
Badass!!! :thumb:

I grilled myself a rib-eye for dinner tonite, perfect medium-rare, with sauteed mushrooms and onions on the side. Got the steak from Costco, but can't imagine enjoying any steak more. :smile:
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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