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| Renauda | Jun 14 2016, 06:27 PM Post #26 |
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Tom I really don't know why you are fixating on this allegation that the murderer was homosexual. So what if he was? The murderer was first and foremost, bat **** crazy. Anything else about his deluded persona is secondary. |
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| justme | Jun 14 2016, 06:50 PM Post #27 |
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I'm wondering whether the bat**** crazy creep wasn't necessarily targeting gays. It's possible, since he frequented the place, he was familiar with it and knew there was only two exits. He knew the layout. I wish my brain would just stop thinking about the whys. But the whys are important in order to understand how to prevent this from happening again. So far I haven't heard anything useful as far as preventing this from happening over and over again. We need to reassess our gun laws. I'm not saying take them away but mental screening is a must. We need to stop being so divided on every little issue. We will never have any meaningful dialogue as long as we continue to attack each other. Stop the bigotry against gun owners and the bigotry against blacks, Hispanics and gays. There's nothing funny about any of this. I truly understand dark humor. It kept my family sane during the murder trial. But we were laughing at our own predicament. I would never laugh in the face of true horror and try main at the expense of others. I'm trying to look inward to see what I can do to help prevent this from ever happening again and it seems the one thing I can definitely do is reassess my conservative values and look at gun laws. I'm not saying ban them. But something has to be done so that nut cases cannot get them. I don't know. The whole thing upsets me and brings back some pretty rough stuff. I just keep thinking of the families and know they're thinking they never want to see this happen to anyone else. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 16 2016, 08:06 AM Post #28 |
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Emperor Pengin
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Hero opens door. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-a-heroic-marine’s-military-training-helped-him-save-dozens-from-orlando-gunman/ar-AAh5rRc?li=BBnb7Kz |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jun 16 2016, 09:09 AM Post #29 |
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I'd really hate to be that Marine. Who's to say how imminent the threat was? Who's to say if those people had died without his action? The situation was a complete mess. But the more popular the news story, the more black-and-white they'll want it. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 16 2016, 09:38 AM Post #30 |
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I'm not saying that it wasn't a good thing that he was there. It was, and his actions likely saved those people. They should all be grateful to him. What I am saying is that what he displayed was more common sense and not really heroic. What it really points out is my earlier contention that people are sheep. There is an exit door (that better have been clearly labeled) right there, and 60-70 people completely miss it due to their panic. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jun 16 2016, 11:43 AM Post #31 |
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It really isn't. You have to train yourself to react to gunfire in a certain way. A lot of soldiers are taught to always be thinking about where they'd take cover if gunfire opened up from various directions. That's not a thing most of us ever consider. Then there's not wasting time in the first few seconds and immediately taking that position. Would a lot of people have figured out that opening a door is a good idea? Yeah, but who knows how long it'd take the average person compared to this guy. Who knows how much time he had before the gunman came over. Who knows what would have happened if he took longer, etc., etc. |
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| Copper | Jun 16 2016, 12:55 PM Post #32 |
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Maybe he freed the people who otherwise would have stopped the gunman. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 16 2016, 01:05 PM Post #33 |
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I'm sorry Aqua, but while I am glad that he was there to help those people, opening a door is not quite on the same level as the guys that brought people to safety at the WTC on 9/11 then went back to get more. It doesn't compare with the guy that layer on top of his girlfriend to protect her from the Illinois theater shooting a couple years back, and it doesn't compare to the guys that took down the terrorist on the French train last year. To use the word hero for his actions devalues the word. |
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| justme | Jun 16 2016, 01:33 PM Post #34 |
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Sorry. I think I must be misinterpreting something.
Edited by justme, Jun 16 2016, 02:41 PM.
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 16 2016, 03:20 PM Post #35 |
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I make no apologies for hurting people's feelings or sensibilities. The guy opened a frigging door. It was the right thing to do, it was good that he kept his wits, but that doesn't make him a hero no matter how much the Post dresses it up. Excusing panic and people acting like sheep doesn't help them, it only hurts them and |
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| George K | Jul 15 2016, 01:20 PM Post #36 |
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FBI finds no evidence that Mateen Pulse because it was a gay club.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| TomK | Jul 15 2016, 01:25 PM Post #37 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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^^^So we are coming close to "no particular reason" for the killings. |
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