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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 14 2016, 10:21 AM (977 Views) | |
| TomK | Jun 14 2016, 10:21 AM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It seems the shooter was a club regular--maybe a closeted gay.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/fbi-investigating-whether-orlando-killer-was-a-club-regular/ar-AAh10Pr?ocid=ansmsnnews11 |
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| Axtremus | Jun 14 2016, 10:32 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Yeah, the thought crossed my mind ... that the shooter was a closeted gay, and that lacking a peaceful way to come to terms with his true sexuality, he went nuts and shot up the club. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 14 2016, 10:36 AM Post #3 |
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Emperor Pengin
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Or he was casing the joint... |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| Axtremus | Jun 14 2016, 10:53 AM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Doesn't explain his use of "gay dating apps" as reported in TomK's article.
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| John Galt | Jun 14 2016, 11:00 AM Post #5 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Couple of times a month for three years is a lotta reconnaissance... http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html Edited by John Galt, Jun 14 2016, 11:00 AM.
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| Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness. | |
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| George K | Jun 14 2016, 11:03 AM Post #6 |
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Finally
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Somewhere, and I can't find it again, dammit, I read that he had made "surveillance "trips to Disney and Disney reported it to the FBI - in April. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 14 2016, 11:10 AM Post #7 |
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MAMIL
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Doesn't really cover his getting carried out drunk either. He wasn't exactly a devout Muslim, was he? |
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| John Galt | Jun 14 2016, 11:15 AM Post #8 |
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Fulla-Carp
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The Disney trips are mentioned in the CNN piece. But I was responding to the OP, which was about him possibly struggling with being gay. As D'Oh remarked, at a minimum he doesn't exactly seem like a devout Muslim, at least as far as alcohol is concerned....and maybe other things. This is a puzzle that will assemble itself slowly over time. |
| Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness. | |
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 14 2016, 11:17 AM Post #9 |
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More likely this will be a puzzle that will be hammered into producing the desired picture even if the pieces don't fit. |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| George K | Jun 14 2016, 11:18 AM Post #10 |
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I may have misread this: As saying they reported it in April. My bad. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| John Galt | Jun 14 2016, 11:19 AM Post #11 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I heard much of the story of one of the survivors that was broadcast live a little while ago. She was one of the people in the bathroom. She said he wanted America to stop bombing his country. She didn't mention anything about Islam. He also asked if there were any blacks in the group (the people who had run to the bathroom to escape). One guy finally said "there are 6 or 7 of us". The shooter said he didn't have a problem with the blacks, he was targeting the white Americans. A complicated case, indeed. |
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| Axtremus | Jun 14 2016, 11:30 AM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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So, religious and homophobic angles aside, now there are also nationalistic and racist angles? |
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 14 2016, 11:38 AM Post #13 |
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Odd. The story you linked in the other thread details a young black guy that was also trapped in the bathroom and wound up being killed. http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/single/?p=9237589&t=7578200 There's going to be a lot of contradictory stories coming out of this, I'm afraid. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jun 14 2016, 11:39 AM Post #14 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Yep. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 14 2016, 12:06 PM Post #15 |
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MAMIL
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The stuff he came out with in the 9-11 call didn't make any sense. He said he supported ISIS, but then he said he supported a Muslim who died fighting ISIS, and he also mentioned the Boston bombers. It sounds as though he was just latching on to all kinds of Islamist crap in his desire to kill lots of people. |
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| John Galt | Jun 14 2016, 12:20 PM Post #16 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Some of the people in the bathroom were already dead from the first wave of gunfire, according to the survivor. I picked up the story after the shooter came back in the bathroom and was making the calls to 911. That's when she said he asked the question about blacks. Might be a case of shoot first, ask questions later. He definitely wasn't the typical suicide shooter. There's just information here and not a lot of logic.... let's face it, the guy was bat**** crazy and we may never understand where his thinking went south... edit: WaPo has a story about the survivor.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/14/fbi-director-orlando-shooting-probe-also-looks-backward-into-agency-files-on-shooter/?utm_term=.71735b791242 Edited by John Galt, Jun 14 2016, 12:41 PM.
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| Luke's Dad | Jun 14 2016, 01:31 PM Post #17 |
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I think you're right about understanding... The call to 911 was made at 2:21, but the guy in the second story was still texting his mom 30 minutes later, so he would have been killed after the first wave of gunfire and likely after the shooter asked about blacks. |
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| George K | Jun 14 2016, 01:35 PM Post #18 |
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What? So now it's a Whoa. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Copper | Jun 14 2016, 01:53 PM Post #19 |
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I'm pretty sure Hillary Clinton told him to do it. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| TomK | Jun 14 2016, 02:21 PM Post #20 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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You mean the self hating gay scenario isn't going to make it?
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| Copper | Jun 14 2016, 02:35 PM Post #21 |
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There is no way this can be pinned on a gay man. Gun kook hater will fit. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| TomK | Jun 14 2016, 02:43 PM Post #22 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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If they could only make him a Trump supporter--it would be a perfect world. |
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| John D'Oh | Jun 14 2016, 03:02 PM Post #23 |
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MAMIL
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As a young, non-white, gay, muslim 2nd generation immigrant he certainly checked all the boxes. |
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| TomK | Jun 14 2016, 03:25 PM Post #24 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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That's what make it all so gosh darn beautiful. We are the world We are the children We are the ones who make a brighter day So let's start giving There is a choice we're making Were saving our own lives It's true we'll make a better day, just you and me |
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| Steve Miller | Jun 14 2016, 06:16 PM Post #25 |
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Bull-Carp
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Beautiful? 50 dead kids is beautiful? |
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