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The Next Obama; I'm sure you've heard that before
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 4 2016, 04:50 PM (509 Views)
Axtremus	Feb 4 2016, 04:50 PM Post #1
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 35,700 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: April 18, 2005	Article: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/new-hampshire-2016-marco-rubio-criticism-218765 Quote: Jeb Bush and Chris Christie have a message for New Hampshire’s Republican voters: Marco Rubio would be President Barack Obama all over again. ... They say that like that's a bad thing.



Larry	Feb 4 2016, 05:18 PM Post #2
Mmmmmmm, pie! Posts: 47,996 Group: Members Member #113 Joined: April 22, 2005	It would be a bad thing if it were true. Obama has been and continues to be the worst president to ever hold office - and the ONLY president to actively and blatantly work to do harm to the nation. But you see, it's not true. It's just another goofball article written by another goofball lefty that other goofball lefties will read and actually think it has something in it worth reading.
	Of the Pokatwat Tribe


Mikhailoh	Feb 4 2016, 05:50 PM Post #3
If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead Posts: 92,842 Group: Members Member #181 Joined: April 26, 2005	Rubio appears to have a spine. It would prebvent all those embarassing bows caused by Obama's spinal condition.
	Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball


Steve Miller	Feb 4 2016, 06:18 PM Post #4
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	Rubio is some 40 miles to the right of Romney and we all know how that came out, never mind Cruz and Trump. Hillary has to be feeling pretty good by now.
	Wag more Bark less


Copper	Feb 4 2016, 06:20 PM Post #5
Shortstop Posts: 29,907 Group: Members Member #426 Joined: February 14, 2007	She can't lose. The indictment stuff is really fun and she probably deserves it but it doesn't matter
	The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy


Improviso	Feb 4 2016, 06:20 PM Post #6
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 10,401 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: April 18, 2005	Yea.. the FBI called today and asked for her wrist size.
	Identifying narcissists isn't difficult. Just look for the person who is constantly fishing for compliments and admiration while breaking down over even the slightest bit of criticism. We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.


John D'Oh	Feb 4 2016, 06:24 PM Post #7
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	I can see Rubio winning this. Politically, Hillary is closest to where I stand, and I'm not sure I'd vote for her. To be honest, I don't really care about the e-mail stuff, but there's quite a bit about her which is hard to like. Rubio is certainly the least distasteful of the Republican front runners, although admittedly that's not saying much.
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


George K	Feb 4 2016, 06:24 PM Post #8
Finally Posts: 89,012 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: August 4, 2005	Steve Miller Feb 4 2016, 06:18 PM Rubio is some 40 miles to the right of Romney and we all know how that came out, never mind Cruz and Trump. Hillary has to be feeling pretty good by now. Cruz and Rubio beat Hillary if you look at the RCP average of polls. Cruz by 1.3 Rubio by 2.5 She beats The Donald by 2.7. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html
	A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18


Jolly	Feb 4 2016, 06:41 PM Post #9
Geaux Tigers! Posts: 47,617 Group: Members Member #30 Joined: April 19, 2005	John D'Oh Feb 4 2016, 06:24 PM I can see Rubio winning this. Politically, Hillary is closest to where I stand, and I'm not sure I'd vote for her. To be honest, I don't really care about the e-mail stuff, but there's quite a bit about her which is hard to like. Rubio is certainly the least distasteful of the Republican front runners, although admittedly that's not saying much. You really, really need to become a citizen, so you can suffer along with the rest of us and truly revel in the politics we have to offer.
	*The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.*- George Soros


Aqua Letifer	Feb 4 2016, 06:44 PM Post #10
ZOOOOOM! Posts: 45,902 Group: Members Member #262 Joined: September 22, 2005	Jolly Feb 4 2016, 06:41 PM John D'Oh Feb 4 2016, 06:24 PM I can see Rubio winning this. Politically, Hillary is closest to where I stand, and I'm not sure I'd vote for her. To be honest, I don't really care about the e-mail stuff, but there's quite a bit about her which is hard to like. Rubio is certainly the least distasteful of the Republican front runners, although admittedly that's not saying much. You really, really need to become a citizen, so you can suffer along with the rest of us and truly revel in the politics we have to offer. I think it would be the most fantastic thing if our federal government just, y'know, lost all its paperwork and had to start over. We'd still have the Declaration and at least most of the Constitution to start from, but if everything else crapped out because didn't get upgraded from Word 95 or something I think that might be the best thing for us.
	I cite irreconcilable differences.


Larry	Feb 4 2016, 06:55 PM Post #11
Mmmmmmm, pie! Posts: 47,996 Group: Members Member #113 Joined: April 22, 2005	Steve Miller Feb 4 2016, 06:18 PM Rubio is some 40 miles to the right of Romney and we all know how that came out, never mind Cruz and Trump. Hillary has to be feeling pretty good by now. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Tell me Steve.. is that koolaid you drink sweetened, or unsweetened? lol
	Of the Pokatwat Tribe


John D'Oh	Feb 4 2016, 06:57 PM Post #12
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	Jolly Feb 4 2016, 06:41 PM John D'Oh Feb 4 2016, 06:24 PM I can see Rubio winning this. Politically, Hillary is closest to where I stand, and I'm not sure I'd vote for her. To be honest, I don't really care about the e-mail stuff, but there's quite a bit about her which is hard to like. Rubio is certainly the least distasteful of the Republican front runners, although admittedly that's not saying much. You really, really need to become a citizen, so you can suffer along with the rest of us and truly revel in the politics we have to offer. I already suffer along with the rest of you. I'm helping to fund the bastards. I shudder to think how bureaucratic the citizenship process is - I went through the green card application, so I'm more than a bit cautious about getting caught up in the machine again, as well as paying for the privilege.
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


Larry	Feb 4 2016, 07:00 PM Post #13
Mmmmmmm, pie! Posts: 47,996 Group: Members Member #113 Joined: April 22, 2005	Just leave the country, and walk back in through Mexico..
	Of the Pokatwat Tribe


Aqua Letifer	Feb 4 2016, 07:17 PM Post #14
ZOOOOOM! Posts: 45,902 Group: Members Member #262 Joined: September 22, 2005	John D'Oh Feb 4 2016, 06:57 PM Jolly Feb 4 2016, 06:41 PM John D'Oh Feb 4 2016, 06:24 PM I can see Rubio winning this. Politically, Hillary is closest to where I stand, and I'm not sure I'd vote for her. To be honest, I don't really care about the e-mail stuff, but there's quite a bit about her which is hard to like. Rubio is certainly the least distasteful of the Republican front runners, although admittedly that's not saying much. You really, really need to become a citizen, so you can suffer along with the rest of us and truly revel in the politics we have to offer. I already suffer along with the rest of you. I'm helping to fund the bastards. I shudder to think how bureaucratic the citizenship process is - I went through the green card application, so I'm more than a bit cautious about getting caught up in the machine again, as well as paying for the privilege. An old roommate of mine was strongly advised to hire a lawyer, as he was from a not-exactly-revered home country. He was here working for the state university for his post-doc. He and his girlfriend—a natural-born U.S. citizen—moved in together at the suggestion of his lawyer. The entire application went to hell when the girlfriend's landlord lost his home in the housing crisis and the house went to Fannie Mae. The new property owners said they couldn't guarantee that they'd keep the place open for rent, and so my ex-roomie and his girlfriend had to move. Because they committed the cardinal sin of moving during his application, it really compromised his chances of staying here. Post-doc work. Oh and my current roommate has a Master's and Verizon is begging the government to let him stay. But that will be determined by a lottery. Anyone who pulls the "if my ancestors became citizens legally then so can everyone else" bullshit it's typically a pretty good indicator that they don't know thing one about the process today.
	I cite irreconcilable differences.


Axtremus	Feb 4 2016, 07:24 PM Post #15
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 35,700 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: April 18, 2005	Aqua Letifer Feb 4 2016, 07:17 PM Anyone who pulls the "if my ancestors became citizens legally then so can everyone else" bull**** it's typically a pretty good indicator that they don't know thing one about the process today. That does not negatively impact their election chances because most voters also do not know much about the immigration process today. A sizable subset of them just want to stop immigration completely.



Steve Miller	Feb 4 2016, 07:28 PM Post #16
Bull-Carp Posts: 7,637 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: April 19, 2005	Axtremus Feb 4 2016, 07:24 PM Aqua Letifer Feb 4 2016, 07:17 PM Anyone who pulls the "if my ancestors became citizens legally then so can everyone else" bull**** it's typically a pretty good indicator that they don't know thing one about the process today. That does not negatively impact their election chances because most voters also do not know much about the immigration process today. A sizable subset of them just want to stop immigration completely. And send 11 million of them back to wherever, as though that might even be possible. Bush the younger started that meme, which is distressing when you consider that compared to JEB! is appears that he was the smart one.
	Wag more Bark less


Aqua Letifer	Feb 4 2016, 07:41 PM Post #17
ZOOOOOM! Posts: 45,902 Group: Members Member #262 Joined: September 22, 2005	Axtremus Feb 4 2016, 07:24 PM Aqua Letifer Feb 4 2016, 07:17 PM Anyone who pulls the "if my ancestors became citizens legally then so can everyone else" bull**** it's typically a pretty good indicator that they don't know thing one about the process today. That does not negatively impact their election chances because most voters also do not know much about the immigration process today. A sizable subset of them just want to stop immigration completely. Yeah. Kind of related: my current bosses often speculate about the influx of Latinos. They say stuff along the lines of, "you know, those people are going to be running this country." You know what I think about that? Great! Those people kick ass, they're hard workers! Man I can't even imagine if I worked in a place populated full of employees south of the border, I think it'd be wonderful. "Say, Jose? You get done this week's deliverables yet? Oh, you have a new way of doing them? Great, show me, that sounds fantastic." Also, their religious folk seem to be more into building community ties than picketing against Planned Parenthood and buying proselytizing bumper stickers. I hope they start coming by the busload.
	I cite irreconcilable differences.


George K	Feb 4 2016, 07:42 PM Post #18
Finally Posts: 89,012 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: August 4, 2005	Axtremus Feb 4 2016, 07:24 PM A sizable subset of them just want to stop immigration completely. What presidential candidate wants to stop immigration *completely*?
	A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18


Copper	Feb 4 2016, 07:49 PM Post #19
Shortstop Posts: 29,907 Group: Members Member #426 Joined: February 14, 2007	Aqua Letifer Feb 4 2016, 07:17 PM Anyone who pulls the "if my ancestors became citizens legally then so can everyone else" bull**** it's typically a pretty good indicator that they don't know thing one about the process today. The system is so much better now than what it was 150 or 100 years ago you really can't compare.
	The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy


Aqua Letifer	Feb 4 2016, 07:52 PM Post #20
ZOOOOOM! Posts: 45,902 Group: Members Member #262 Joined: September 22, 2005	George K Feb 4 2016, 07:42 PM Axtremus Feb 4 2016, 07:24 PM A sizable subset of them just want to stop immigration completely. What presidential candidate wants to stop immigration *completely*? The guy who has consistently maintained and currently maintains one of the strongest approval ratings amongst Republicans. Quote: “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border and I will make Mexico pay for that wall.” Quote: “[We want a] total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”
	I cite irreconcilable differences.


John D'Oh	Feb 4 2016, 08:15 PM Post #21
MAMIL Posts: 53,812 Group: Members Member #276 Joined: October 19, 2005	I don't think it's true that Trump wants to stop immigration completely, based on what he's said. Let's be honest though, Trump doesn't have any really achievable policies other than a lot of rabble-rousing stuff about building walls and taxing Chinese imports. It's all a load of happy-clappy bollocks, catering to people who are sick and tired of the bullsh!t, and haven't noticed they're just being fed a different brand of the same stuff. However, there is a problem with the immigration process in this country. Anybody with first hand experience of it knows this. It's underfunded, and hopelessly inefficient. Furthermore, it's not stopping illegal immigration.
	What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?


Axtremus	Feb 4 2016, 08:27 PM Post #22
HOLY CARP!!! Posts: 35,700 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: April 18, 2005	George K Feb 4 2016, 07:42 PM Axtremus Feb 4 2016, 07:24 PM A sizable subset of them just want to stop immigration completely. What presidential candidate wants to stop immigration *completely*? Was referring to subset of voters, not subset of Presidential candidates. Sorry it wasn't clear.



Aqua Letifer	Feb 4 2016, 08:27 PM Post #23
ZOOOOOM! Posts: 45,902 Group: Members Member #262 Joined: September 22, 2005	John D'Oh Feb 4 2016, 08:15 PM I don't think it's true that Trump wants to stop immigration completely, based on what he's said. Let's be honest though, Trump doesn't have any really achievable policies other than a lot of rabble-rousing stuff about building walls and taxing Chinese imports. It's all a load of happy-clappy bollocks, catering to people who are sick and tired of the bullsh!t, and haven't noticed they're just being fed a different brand of the same stuff. No, you're right. But I'd put Larry in charge of immigration before I would Trump. Quote: However, there is a problem with the immigration process in this country. Anybody with first hand experience of it knows this. It's underfunded, and hopelessly inefficient. Furthermore, it's not stopping illegal immigration. True also.
	I cite irreconcilable differences.


George K	Feb 5 2016, 04:34 AM Post #24
Finally Posts: 89,012 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: August 4, 2005	Aqua Letifer Feb 4 2016, 07:52 PM George K Feb 4 2016, 07:42 PM Axtremus Feb 4 2016, 07:24 PM A sizable subset of them just want to stop immigration completely. What presidential candidate wants to stop immigration *completely? The guy who has consistently maintained and currently maintains one of the strongest approval ratings amongst Republicans. Quote: “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border and I will make Mexico pay for that wall.” Quote: “[We want a] total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” Seems to me that despite the bombast, Trump said nothing about Indians, Koreans, Germans, Irish, or (gasp!) Englishmen and Canadians. He'd probably even let Australians in, once they learn the language. No, read the italicized, bolded word I posted. Edited by George K*, Feb 5 2016, 04:35 AM.
	A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18


George K	Feb 5 2016, 06:23 AM Post #25
Finally Posts: 89,012 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: August 4, 2005	Goldberg dispenses with the "next Obama" rhetoric. Quote: “Seriously,” Scarborough added, “I have complained for years that Barack Obama was sold and marketed like a bag of potato chips, and when I have said it, every Republican has agreed with me, and I said it was a bad move for America when they had a chance to have a more experienced candidate. Even Hillary Clinton. So now Republicans are going . . . down that road to elect a guy that has been marketed like a bag of potato chips. Good luck.” It’s almost as if Scarborough forgot that Obama was elected – twice. Because he has a unique animosity for Rubio, Scarborough left out that his indictment applies in equal measure to Cruz, another first-term senator who hit the ground running for the White House. Indeed, Cruz has been in the Senate for even less time than Rubio. Scarborough is certainly right that Rubio’s list of Senate accomplishments is short. So is Cruz’s, and for largely the same reasons. They haven’t been around long, and in the last year – with Republicans in control – the GOP has mostly focused on limiting any further damage Obama can do. Which brings us back to this whole “Republican Obama” thing. For Scarborough, not to mention Jeb Bush and New Jersey governor Chris Christie, the charge that Rubio is a Republican Obama is meant to be a scathing indictment of Rubio’s inexperience. But that may not be the way everyone hears it. They might hear: “He’s a Republican who can win.” ... Every candidate’s record is fair game. But by their very nature, arguments about a politician’s record are arguments about the past. Rubio and Cruz – or as I like to call them, Los Hermanos Cubanos – can frame their candidacies on the future. In a year when a majority of Americans – and a super-majority of Republicans – think the country is on the wrong track, that’s an advantage. As Washington Post columnist Marc Thiessen wrote last year, “Those who dismiss Cruz as a ‘Republican Obama’ should not forget what we call Obama today: Mr. President.”
	A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18

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