Larry

Feb 3 2016, 02:07 PM

If a lot of people who were going to vote for Carson did not vote for Carson but instead voted for Cruz because of Cruz' staff sending out an email saying Carson was out of the race, then yes, Cruz stole Iowa.

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Carson has been saying all day today and yesterday that Cruz should be held responsible for his staffer having tweeted out something that was in news reports carried by major networks.

During his press conference today, a reporter confronted Carson with the hypocrisy of saying that Cruz should be responsible for his staffer, while refusing to take responsibility for his own staffer who told the media that he was going to Florida in the first place. Carson’s answer was surprisingly petty, and furthermore seems to indicate that maybe he really was planning to go to Florida after all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_uFMktlV3k

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Reporter: Do you regret, uh, announcing that that you were going to be going back to Florida and spurring some of this confusion?

Carson: Well, I didn’t make that announcement. Uh, I guess somebody talked to … other people…

Reporter: Well, your campaign told the press.

Carson: You know, *I* didn’t say it, so don’t blame me. [laughing]

Reporter: But you’re here telling us that people should know what’s going on in their campaign and hold people accountable, I mean that’s [crosstalk]

Carson: Well, let me ask you this question, is it okay after being on the road for after three weeks to go home to Florida and get a fresh change of cloths? Or is that a problem? Does that make someone into an evil, horrible person?

Good Lord. So, to summarize:

• Carson admits his own campaign staffer talked to the media and said he was going to Florida.
• Carson takes no responsibility for the actions of this staffer.
• Cruz staffer tweeted a media report based entirely on what the aforementioned staffer said.
• According to Carson, Cruz should take responsibility for that staffer.
• If you find that inconsistent, then you must just hate the state of Florida and everyone who lives in it.

John D'Oh

Feb 3 2016, 03:21 PM

So, what's the collective noun for douchebags?

Mikhailoh

Feb 3 2016, 03:34 PM

He is not equipped to be POTUS.

George K

Feb 3 2016, 03:16 PM

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/02/03/ben-carson-gets-hoisted-petard-isnt-pretty-video/

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Carson has been saying all day today and yesterday that Cruz should be held responsible for his staffer having tweeted out something that was in news reports carried by major networks.

During his press conference today, a reporter confronted Carson with the hypocrisy of saying that Cruz should be responsible for his staffer, while refusing to take responsibility for his own staffer who told the media that he was going to Florida in the first place. Carson’s answer was surprisingly petty, and furthermore seems to indicate that maybe he really was planning to go to Florida after all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_uFMktlV3k

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Reporter: Do you regret, uh, announcing that that you were going to be going back to Florida and spurring some of this confusion?

Carson: Well, I didn’t make that announcement. Uh, I guess somebody talked to … other people…

Reporter: Well, your campaign told the press.

Carson: You know, *I* didn’t say it, so don’t blame me. [laughing]

Reporter: But you’re here telling us that people should know what’s going on in their campaign and hold people accountable, I mean that’s [crosstalk]

Carson: Well, let me ask you this question, is it okay after being on the road for after three weeks to go home to Florida and get a fresh change of cloths? Or is that a problem? Does that make someone into an evil, horrible person?

Good Lord. So, to summarize:

• Carson admits his own campaign staffer talked to the media and said he was going to Florida.
• Carson takes no responsibility for the actions of this staffer.
• Cruz staffer tweeted a media report based entirely on what the aforementioned staffer said.
• According to Carson, Cruz should take responsibility for that staffer.
• If you find that inconsistent, then you must just hate the state of Florida and everyone who lives in it.

Axtremus

Feb 3 2016, 03:38 PM

Strawman alert.

The accusation was that the Cruz campaign insinuated that Carson is dropping out, not about "going to Florida."

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7:45 p.m.: CNN reports Carson is taking a break after Iowa

During CNN’s wall-to-wall coverage of the Iowa caucuses, Dana Bash shared breaking news from reporter Chris Moody that Carson would return home to Florida after the contest.

“Ben Carson is going to go back to Florida, to his home, regardless of how he does tonight here in Iowa. He’s going to go there for several days, and then afterwards, he’s not going to go to South Carolina, he’s not going to go to New Hampshire, he’s going to come to Washington D.C., and he’s going to do that because the National Prayer Breakfast is on Thursday,” she said.

CNN’s Jake Tapper called the announcement from Carson “very unusual” and noted “almost every single candidate” would travel directly to New Hampshire after the caucuses.

“If you want to be President of the United States, you don't go home to Florida,” Bash responded.

On Twitter, @TheLeadCNN told its 32,000 followers that Carson “will return to FL following #IAcaucus, will not go to either NH or SC.” The account for CNN’s politics section tweeted to 420,000 followers that the retired neurosurgeon “plans to take a break from campaigning.”

7:50 p.m.: Carson camp clarifies he just has to go home for "fresh clothes"

Shortly before 8 p.m., a Carson spokesman tweeted the candidate was “not standing down” and was simply returning to Florida to “get fresh clothes” and dodge a winter storm in Iowa. The spokesman told TPM Carson would be in D.C. Wednesday and Thursday for a “campaign event,” and then would continue on to New Hampshire.

The campaign also disputed rumors that Carson’s trip to Florida was a mid-campaign vacation, which many read as a sign he would drop out.

8 p.m.: Cruz camp notifies supporters that Carson is dropping out

Just as the Iowa caucuses were beginning, some users of the Cruz campaign's official mobile app received a notification saying Carson was dropping out of the presidential race. The notification cited a report from CNN.

The alert said Carson “will stop campaigning after Iowa” and urged users to tell people at the caucuses “they should coalesce around the true conservative who will be in the race for the long haul: TED CRUZ!”

It also included a photo of a TV tuned to CNN, showing the network’s ever-present “BREAKING NEWS” banner paired with the headline “Campaign: Carson To Take A Break After Iowa.”

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Fact: the Ben Carson campaign suspension rumor came from CNN, and that rumor originated with the Carson campaign. Trevor Loudon puts together the full timeline here, but here’s a brief summary: CNN reported at approximately 4:45 PM ET that Carson was going home to Florida after Iowa. Rep. Steve King (R-IA), a Cruz supporter, tweeted what everyone in the political world was thinking: “Carson looks like he is out. Iowans need to know before they vote. Most will go to Cruz, I hope.” At 5:08 PM ET CNN itself tweeted, “After the #IAcaucus, @RealBenCarson plans to take a break from campaigning.” A Cruz staffer then told precinct captains, “Breaking News. The press is reporting that Dr. Ben Carson is taking time off from the campaign trail after Iowa and making a big announcement next week. Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted Cruz.” Apparently, Rubio also “pushed the narrative hard” that Carson was dumping out of the race, according to a tweet from Conrad Close, who identifies as a Rubio supporter. Cruz has apologized for the screw-up:

Last night when our political team saw the CNN post saying that Dr. Carson was not carrying on to New Hampshire and South Carolina, our campaign updated grassroots leaders just as we would with any breaking news story. That's fair game. What the team then should have done was send around the follow-up statement from the Carson campaign clarifying that he was indeed staying in the race when that came out.

John Galt

Feb 3 2016, 04:34 PM

No, implied.

To be clearer...as I understood the CNN anchor, she was saying that the Cruz campaign implied that Carson was dropping out in their email to supporters. She did not speak to whether they misunderstood the CNN report, or if they intentionally misrepresented the information.

But the way she stressed the phrase "CNN *correctly* reported that Dr Carson is going to Florida", I inferred that she was implying that Cruz's campaign intentionally misrepresented the info.

George K

Feb 3 2016, 04:45 PM

John Galt

Feb 3 2016, 04:34 PM

No, implied.

To be clearer...as I understood the CNN anchor, she was saying that the Cruz campaign implied that Carson was dropping out in their email to supporters. She did not speak to whether they misunderstood the CNN report, or if they intentionally misrepresented the information.

But the way she stressed the phrase "CNN *correctly* reported that Dr Carson is going to Florida", I inferred that she was implying that Cruz's campaign intentionally misrepresented the info.

Interesting grammatical question: if you are reporting something that someone else said to a third party, is that "implying" or is it "inferring because you drew the conclusion.

eg:

John said that George is a drunk. Mik said to Larry that he heard that George is a drunk. Is that an implication or an inference?

John Galt

Feb 3 2016, 04:59 PM

Where's Klaus Aqua when you need him? This is one of those formal grammar things he's good at.

Regarding inferred and implied....Don't know if I'm correct, but I think of "inferring" as being inbound (what I do with information that comes in to me) and "implying" as being outbound (what I do with information I am passing along to others). So I can both infer and imply.